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I can't help but think that many of the people writing about "Trump voters" are talking to me, even if they are not. I want to make one thing perfectly clear, in case I hadn't already done so.

I've gone on record many times, in another forum if not here, that I expect Trump to be a disaster. (He was my 17th choice in the primaries.) I hope that he will do good for the country, or that the country will do okay in spite of him, but I don't expect it. And yet I voted for him anyway.

Why? Because I was convinced (and still am) that the country will have done worse under Hillary. I'm sure that in four years when things have gone to hell in a hand basket people will come to me and say "See, you voted for him and look at what we got." And yet, I may have been 100% right; things may have been worse under Hillary and yet I'll be lumped in with all the "stupid, racist, uninformed, unable to fathom change" Trump voters. We will never know though. We don't get to see it both ways, but I saw the election as "heads I lose, tails I really lose."

A lot of your post was based on character. If that were the only reason for making the decision, I would have still voted for Trump. Yes, his character is awful, but IMO still better than Hillary's.

I may not be making myself clear: My point was that, like the video with President Obama talking to the young woman, that what the mayor said got twisted. Trying to allow residents to vote on local politics is a far cry from allowing them to vote in national elections. I would go so far and not call it "compromised" because I think that undocumented workers who are residents in a given town are contributing to the town by working hard, paying local taxes - mostly in the form of sales taxes - and contributing to the town's way of life. I think that allowing them to vote in local elections would make them better residents (more willing to do things for the good of the town) and I think that they would deserve it just as much as someone lucky enough to be born in the US who moves to that town.

So I was not saying the mayor encouraged illegal activity - he wanted to allow people to vote in local elections (make something legal) but that doesn't mean that he was encouraging people to vote WITHOUT it being made legal.

I disagree that your questions are the questions that should be asked. I would ask: How can people be such bad readers that they miss the word local when reading that article, and get so angry that they pass it along to others who either also can't read, or don't bother to read and just believe whatever they're told. And then how people use evidence of ONE mayor advocating letting undocumented RESIDENTS vote in LOCAL elections and use that as possible proof that 3 million undocumented workers in CA voted in NATIONAL elections when these two are completely unrelated. I think that the problem is not just believing everything one reads/is told, but critical reasoning. Both in the area of critiquing the reasoning of others (not just disbelieving them because blah), and also in inductive reasoning: If A-> B that doesn't prove some unrelated C.

I showed the link to say that it wasn't completely made up, but twisted and misunderstood (or misrepresented), not in support of that ludicrous claim.

Italy votes on Constitutional Reforms this weekend, which could simplify the country’s legislative process. Manulife Asset Management’s Head of EAFE and European Equities, David Hussey, considers whether the outcome matters to investors.

The media has billed the Italian referendum as the next big populist event following the Brexit referendum in the UK and the victory of Mr. Donald Trump in the US earlier this year. It is true that there is a populist element to the vote given that many people will be casting their ballot either for or against the establishment on Sunday. But that is a simplistic view of the referendum and, much like Italian politics, the vote this Sunday has many dimensions.

In considering the ways in which the referendum may lead to political and financial uncertainty in Italy, we have to look at three dimensions in particular: the content of the constitutional reform itself, the Italicum (a new electoral law) and the banking sector. more

Daughter of top EU official raped and murdered in Germany - Afghan migrant admits killing

Tragic!

Another hate crime hoax. Shameful!

S. Jersey man arrested in 'Pro-Trump', racist post-election vandalism in South Philly

I don't understand. What do you mean? I don't know how to fact check, just wondering what you mean when you say it's a hoax.

I don't understand. What do you mean? I don't know how to fact check, just wondering what you mean when you say it's a hoax.

Just curious, but what has this to do with U S Democracy being Trumped?

Jon means that the culprit is not white, so could not be a Trump supporter.

We know that it has been done, that Hillary shills were sent to Trump events to incite violence to make Trump supporters look like a violent lot.

Just curious, but what has this to do with U S Democracy being Trumped?

 PassedOut, on 2016-December-04, 12:54, said:

I don't think he means that at all. He means that people are deliberately making Trump supporters look bad by flaming their own people and blaming it on Trump supporters.

Not all of this "know" this to be true.
Please provide some documentation.

(And I hope for your sake its not the case that I heard about)

That's funny, that's the one thing that I thought the left was willing to concede. When I get a chance, I'll look for it.

This is meant to be a place to engage in dialogue, share your views and perspectives on global events, anything that can't fit into the other forums. However, we'll still follow some basic rules:

1) No personal attacks. Insults are a No-No. You can have issues with someone else's opinion and attack that (in a civilised manner hopefully), but don't go after anyone personally.

I don't think he means that at all. He means that people are deliberately making Trump supporters look bad by flaming their own people and blaming it on Trump supporters.

We know that it has been done, that Hillary shills were sent to Trump events to incite violence to make Trump supporters look like a violent lot.