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Whats your bid? Overcall

Poll: What is your bid as East (34 member(s) have cast votes)

What is your bid as East

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. 1 [HE] (26 votes [76.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.47%

  4. 1 NT (8 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  5. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   ArcLight 

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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:06

IMPS

N-S Vulnerable

North deals and opens 1♦

As EAST you hold
Scoring: IMP


You MUST use standard methods, no off beat overcalls like 2 CLubs = Diamonds and Hearts. SAYC, ACOL, etc. No specialized ultra modern calls.


Sorry about the 1♥ choice showing up as: 1 [ HE ]



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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:09

You'd have to pay me to do anything except overcall 1H. What else am I supposed to do?
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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:15

FrancesHinden, on Dec 2 2005, 04:09 PM, said:

You'd have to pay me to do anything except overcall 1H. What else am I supposed to do?

I admit 1NT is tempting me.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:30

I bid 1♥

I admit to having (briefly) considered 1NT...

I rejected this because the hand is too strong.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:34

I think there is a pretty good case to be made here for overcalling 1N. If you were opening the bidding, you would open 1H because you have an easy and natural rebid of 2D. After the opps open in diamonds, you lose this choice so 1H seems to be overemphazing the nature of this hand - a balanced 2 suiter you won't ever be able to show naturally; however, 1N gives a fairly good approximation of the the shape and strength and encourages partner to bid aggressively with hands he may otherwise have problems describing - some such hand as QJxxxx, xx, xx, Axx. The other problem is what do you do after:
1D-1H-P-1S-P-?

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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:46

I'm bidding 1♥. I can bid NT or double later to show my stops or extra values as needed. If I start with 1NT I may be alright, but I may miss a good heart contract in either a partial or game.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:58

I guess I'm just calling a heart a heart. With Frances on this one. How much do I get paid to do something else?
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Posted 2005-December-02, 08:59

"The other problem is what do you do after:
1D-1H-P-1S-P-?"

This is what convinced me of 1NT, although the hand looks like 1H.

I think this one is very close.

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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:19

1♥

You can usually get back to NT when it is right, having begun 1♥. You will rarely get back to ♥ after starting 1N
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:20

1♥
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:24

1♥
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Posted 2005-December-02, 09:30

1NT, for a few reasons.

First, I like putting points on the table.

Second, my heart suit is not that tremendous.

Third, 1NT does preempt the opponents from 1S, and the preemption of partner from 1S is also good.

Fourth, with diamonds double-stopped, this is a huge feature that is hard to describe later.

Fifth, I can easily bid 2H after 2C competition.

Sixth, it helps partner double diamond competition (negative), which I would gladly pass.

1H only focuses hearts.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:38

I like 1H as I find the usefulness of the D suit to be better in a suit contract.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:48

1♥, kelsey isn't always right, only mostly right.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 10:51

1♥ for me too. What would 2♦ mean after partner advances 1♠? For me this is a natural bid. Even if it wasn't a natural bid, it seems like the most obvious meaning would be "a strong hand with no clear direction" which is pretty much what we have.
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Posted 2005-December-02, 12:10

1 ♥. what else?
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Posted 2005-December-02, 15:43

1H
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Posted 2005-December-02, 20:21

1♥, guys
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Posted 2005-December-03, 09:08

1♥, I admit not having even though of 1NT. Only after I found 1♥ wasn't anonimous.

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Posted 2005-December-03, 16:03

Kelsey recommended passing, because of length in openers suit.
In this example, the 1H overcal = down 2 doubled, -300.
I think that was just unlucky, but anything can happen.

Of the 4 examples I posted, this was the one I most disagreed with him on.

Pard having as liitle as 4 Hearts to the King has play for game.


His overall advice makes sense, I just think some of his examples were too timid.
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