[Kalvan14]

Scoring: IMP

(P)-P-(1C)*-1H**-(P)-?

* : Precision, 16/+
**: Transfer to spades (5/+)

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Pard struck gold. What are you rebidding?

[Free]

2♠, wtp?

[HeartA]

2S, or 2C if pd understands.

[Elianna]

For curiosity's sake, what does RHO's pass mean? Did you ask? (If it means "nothing", I'd try asking what inferences they get from RHO not finding a bid.)

Also, I can't believe that I'm playing some system and haven't discussed how to make a good raise.

Also what kind of hand does partner need? Any hand with 5+ ♠'s? A certain number of points? Less than a certain number?

anyway, I want to know what I've discussed with partner.

[mike777]

I want to cuebid..but rats rho has passed so 1s for now...will cue bid next bid hopefully. I assume RHO pass shows almost nothing with no long suits.

[Kalvan14]

RHO pass shows less than 5 points, and no suit 6 cards or longer.

I wanted to have an idea of the level you want to pre-empt, without any special agreement.
However, you are probably right:

• 1S would deny a good fit or shape
  
• Pass would be 0/1 spade, and at least 4 hearts
  
• 1NT would be deny fit again, and in this particular case would show length in the minors
  
• any suit at 2 level would be fit-showing (generally with 3-card fit, but can be 4 in a bad shape)
  
• any suit at 3-level would be again fit-dhowing with 4 trumps
  
• a raise or jump-raise in spades would be pre-emptive

Overcaller may have:

• 5-6 cards single suiter in spades
  
• 5 spades and 4 hearts
  
• 5 spades and 4m (in this case the m would be poor)

[000002]

this particular auction has a particular solution in china , and it's popular .

1nt to show normal strength raise with 3card♠ upholding,2nt need 4.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3S, preemptive, 4 card support

The explanation, that 1H is a transfer to spade
is not sufficient, the question also is, is 1H
contructive or destructive.
(Edit: You gave the explanation in a later post,
it should have been part of your original post.)

As already noted, you should ask, what Pass means.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I am not really a big believer in transfer
overcalls.

[Free]

Transfer overcalls over big ♣ should be more constructive or just lead directing (otherwise bid weak at 2-level). This makes space for the 1♠ bid to be something weaker and more frequent (like 0-3♠ ). 1♠ is a quite safe bid, but it takes away the entire 1-level, so it's more useful to use it a lot more than just a normal 1♠ overcall imo.

However I don't like transfer overcalls from 5 card. 4 cards is more than enough, and if you have a constructive hand with 5-4, you can make a help suit trial after 1♠ (showing 3♠) or 2♠ response...

This said, I still only bid 2♠, since I have slow values with a strong hand behind my cowboys.

[pclayton]

3♠ looks right. Hope pard didn't forget the transfers!

[tysen2k]

Jlall, on Jan 10 2006, 08:10 AM, said:

This is a 3S bid and so is Kxxx x xxxx xxxx?

I think so if partner can be counted on to have 5+♠. If you only bid 2♠ and opener goes to 3♥, you don't want them to have it there. Bid 3♠ right away.

Tysen

[cherdano]

Given the system, how about 2♣ followed by a raise to 3♠? I am worried about missing game by jumping to 3♠ (or having partner sacrifice over 4♥ when he shouldn't).

Arend

[Flame]

Justin we live by this logic, you cant take it away just like that, it deserve a serious article on your blog.
Most of us bid competitive autions based on the lott, when we have 9 spades(as long as partner read your article on overcalling over strog 1c) we usually bid to the 3 level, especially when it looks like opponents have thier heart fit.
The second rule we live on is the last guess principle.
The idea is that by bidding 3S we give them the last guess, lets say opener has 6 hearts, now if his partner has anice hearts he want to bid 4H but he is on guess, if we only bid 2S he has an easy 3H bid, now when we bid 3S they are in a perfect position to either bid 4H or pass or double us.
I guess these rules need serious refinment, and will be very happy if you help with this.

[Flame]

Jlall, on Jan 10 2006, 12:44 PM, said:

I guess it's the same reason people play bergen eh?

yep

[Flame]

Not exactly, I do have ways to distiguege strengh, but with most 4 cards raise those ways will take me to the 3 level, for example a cue bid or 2nt freqently show raize with more then weak hand.