[gwnn]

Scoring: MP

p-p-3♦-?

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FWIW, LHO told me "basically any strength from 5 to 13 pts". We tend to open only on sound hands (not even every 12 hcp).

[whereagles]

Well.. 3♥, I guess.. and a note to open more aggressively so as to not having this problem so often

[Fluffy]

pass

[Free]

Pass, I'm in direct seat... If partner has something he'll come out in balancing seat. Bidding 3♥ shows a better hand imo.

[gwnn]

On another note, suppose you pass and 3♦ becomes the final contract (or, you get subbed in a tourney where someone else had already passed and then 3♦ became the final contract). What do you lead?

[pbleighton]

3H. I don't consder pass.

Peter

[dake50]

Partner's 10 with a fit tries 4H. Not proud but ok. Partner's 6 passes. Ok.
Partner's 10 non-fit --there's the rub!

[whereagles]

I think scoring here makes a difference. At imps it's probably not worth it to butt-in because game is unlikely. At matchpoints, however, you HAVE to bid.

[han]

It seems to me that the players in the Vanderbilt were all bidding with hands like this. Every time there was a close decision (or what I thought was close) they were bidding not passing. I'm pretty sure that they would have bid 3H with this.

However, that was IMPs, which may be a completely different story.

[Fluffy]

Hannie, on Mar 20 2007, 02:34 PM, said:

It seems to me that the players in the Vanderbilt were all bidding with hands like this. Every time there was a close decision (or what I thought was close) they were bidding not passing. I'm pretty sure that they would have bid 3H with this.

wasn't justin in the vanderbilt?

[jtfanclub]

gwnn, on Mar 20 2007, 04:11 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

p-p-3♦-?

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(not an expert, by any means. Sorry to speak out of turn).

This is the very hand I think of when when my partners tell me they 'had' to balance, and we end up in a horrible -890 or -800 or something else when partner's sitting with a 10 count.

Am I going to be upset if he bids 3NT with 10 count and a single stop in diamonds? Not particularly. I've got a stop in every suit, between us we most likely have a double stop in diamonds, and I have lots of help for his presumed club suit. How about if he bids 4♥? No, I have 6 losers, he should have 3 winners between his 10 hcp.

Not only do I want to bid 3♥ with this, but I want partner in balancing seat to not even consider that I might have a hand like this. The last thing I want to hear from him is "But I had to balance, you might have had a 12 count with a six card major"! Our opponents are a passed hand across a 3rd hand overcall, and I have a 12 count. I don't need the X to know that partner has a few points.

I can see that we can make game across a balanced 10 count. I don't want partner balancing with balanced 10 counts. That's a good way to get to disaster street.

[pclayton]

If RHO opened with a heavy preempt, well they got me. 3♥ looks completely normal to me.

LHO will also be in the dark with the 'wide range', and probably won't be able to double me.

If I'm going down in 3♥, I hope my -100 beats -110.

By the way, I disagree that pard will arbitrarily press to 4♥. Its MPs, and pard knows you are under pressure to bid, especially with relative shortness in diamonds.

Preempts work; thats why I make 'em a lot.

[gwnn]

Scoring: MP

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Not only did I pass this one out, but we also let it make. -110 meant an absolute zero. To be fair, so would +100 have been (only 4 tables - two 620's and a 170).

@ teams or in NV I think 3♥ is automatic... However, I'm still not convinced why 3♥ would be a long time winner in this situation. Seems to me pd brought too many values where we needed em.



edit: if anyone was wondering the guy who voted for "other" was me, to leave the stats objective.

[pclayton]

Like others have said in the past, we still get the game bonus in matchpoints.

Its unfortunate that passing worked out as poorly as it did, but thats life. While I'm a 3♥ bidder, nothing is proven with one hand.

Remember: Intelligent Reckless Abandonment at MPs.

[whereagles]

Jlall, on Mar 20 2007, 02:19 PM, said:

Why do you HAVE to bid at MP?

For two reasons:

1. At matchpoints, if there's a chance the hand is ours, you have to bid. By passing you're gambling opps have done the wrong thing and the evidence so far doesn't go in that direction.

2. Pard rates to have a 3-card diamond suit and at best 9-11 hcp, so he's not likely to balance here.

Sure, 3♥ might go for -1100, but consider this: LHO doesn't know if his pard's pree is 5 or 13. Since he's a passed hand he won't be so quick to wield the axe and -100 undoubled might be a good for you.

At teams that would-be -1100 might be costly, but at matchpoints it isn't that big a deal. That's why I'd pass at teams (though more quickly NV).

[Fluffy]

whereagles, on Mar 20 2007, 07:46 PM, said:

2. Pard rates to have a 3-card diamond suit and at best 9-11 hcp, so he's not likely to balance here.

Pard rates to have 3?, I don't buy that

[Halo]

I'd bid 3♥ at both forms of scoring.

At MPs it seems automatic since rare very large scores plus or minus are irrelevant.

At teams frequency is replaced by what they are doing in the other room. Well, I think they are bidding 3♥ just the same as me.

[Apollo81]

gwnn, on Mar 20 2007, 05:11 AM, said:

Scoring: MP

p-p-3♦-?

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FWIW, LHO told me "basically any strength from 5 to 13 pts". We tend to open only on sound hands (not even every 12 hcp).

I think I would pass since it is all red and down 2 won't be a good score for either side.

I'm pretty sure I'd bid at all white without thinking much.