[helene_t]

Oh misread the auction, sr.

I'll rebid 2♣ then, partner bidding in my singleton devaluates the hand from a maximum 2♣ rebid to a slightly-above-average 2♣ rebid.

I would prefer a cuebid to the 3♠ bid but 3♠ is not terrible. Of course if 2♠ is forcing (which it probably is), that's even better..

[neilkaz]

2♠ from PD is forcing in normal methods and save room to find the best game.
PD may not have known that or may have wanted to show his good ♠ and GF.

I really don't care for your raise to 4♠ with a stiff 6 in support !! Just rebid 4♣ and let PD know that you have no support. Perhaps 5♣ may be better ?

At least after 4♣ PD won't XX if he has any functional brain cells.

Looking at all 4 hands, it really seems hard to stay out of game with your side's cards and I suspect there may have been quite a few 4♠x or 5♣.

PD should smell a rat after the X and not XX, without solid ♠ and at least a good as a hand as he holds. The X just has to say..."I've got Qxxx(x) behind you and one or two of those x's are likely the 9 or 8)

.. neilkaz ..

[hrothgar]

neilkaz, on Aug 6 2007, 01:29 AM, said:

I really don't care for your raise to 4♠ with a stiff 6 in support !! Just rebid 4♣ and let PD know that you have no support. Perhaps 5♣ may be better ?

Responder jumped to 3♠ over 2♦

A stiff 6 is more than sufficient as support.

[neilkaz]

hrothgar, on Aug 5 2007, 05:33 PM, said:

neilkaz, on Aug 6 2007, 01:29 AM, said:

I really don't care for your raise to 4♠ with a stiff 6 in support !! Just rebid 4♣ and let PD know that you have no support. Perhaps 5♣ may be better ?

Responder jumped to 3♠ over 2♦

A stiff 6 is more than sufficient as support.

Maybe opposite you or I who would hold AKQxxx or better but obviously not here .

Anyhow what does the jump opposite a reverse show ? To me it has to be at least a solid 6 bagger since the reverser is often stiff and a solid 6 bagger certainly is useful for slams in one of reverser's suits as well.

Just my opinion .. neilkaz ..

[cherdano]

I think both your bidding is reasonable, just the redouble seems ill-advised.

For those who think a stiff isn't good enough to raise on this auction, I suggest they let us a know of a better strain once the auction is forced to game.

[Robert]

Hi jillybean2

This hand is not worth a reverse after partner bids 1S. Those three small hearts in a suit that was bid behind you are a red warning flag. The shortness in partner's suit is also a bad sign.

I open 1D and rebid 2Cs.

hrothgar is almost correct. Opening 1D is a good idea. That '6' is barely enough to raise a jump bid suit in this auction. More than enough would be xx xxx or 'J'

I deleted the KR evaluator from my PC because the results tended to much higher than many hands deserved. This hand is certainly not worth almost 19 points after a 1H overcall and partner now bids your stiff. Several red warning flags are flying.

Care to try another auction with partner holding a 5=4=3=1 holding with the same HCP as you hold? The KR evaluator will show that each hand is worth close to 19 points. With 37-38 points, shouldn't you be playing slam or even a grand slam?
Making any slam will be interesting.

Tell partner to XX only when he holds 'unexpected' cards/shape. His suit was weak for the jump bid and the double should 'wake him up' to the bad break that the other pair has just warned you about.

His hand also holds three small hearts and a void in your 2D reverse. The other pair should not be counting defensive tricks in the minors 'sitting' in front of the opening bidder.

Regards,
Robert

[neilkaz]

The KR hand evaluator is indeed rather aggressive in evaluating playing strengths of the opening hand. However, I don't use it in combination with the responding hand.

Anyhow..even if jb opens 1D and rebids 2C, is PD really staying out of 4♠ here ?

It isn't jb's reverse that sunk this hand as it was a bad split and PD's horrid redouble.

Still, most of us, myself included who would reverse if PD has bid 1♥, see too many warning signs against reversing here with a hand that seems only a bare min (to me) reverse if all is normal.

Sometimes you get bad splits and the opps X you. Don't XX without a huge surprise. Often that huge surprise is a void in their suit and a side suit better than they expect.

.. neilkaz ..and you all make give thanx that I am done with my redundant comments in this thread

[Mr. Dodgy]

neilkaz, on Aug 5 2007, 12:23 PM, said:

For those who use Zars, how many Zars is this hand worth ?

13HCP + 6Controls + 13DP = 32 Z

-> converts to approximately a good 16 / bad 17 by my reckoning.

[Echognome]

cherdano, on Aug 5 2007, 02:46 PM, said:

I think both your bidding is reasonable, just the redouble seems ill-advised.

For those who think a stiff isn't good enough to raise on this auction, I suggest they let us a know of a better strain once the auction is forced to game.

I can't believe you think that North's bidding is reasonable given I just read a different thread where you suggest not showing a six card suit in preference to raising partner with xxx. Now don't get me wrong. I don't think that view is unreasonable, nor this one. I just think they are inconsistent. I can't imagine holding Qxxx in partner's long suit after a reverse and never showing that support.