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Why did the idiot double? doesn't matter... you're still on lead.

Poll: What's your lead? (33 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your lead?

  1. [sp]7 (5 votes [15.15%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.15%

  2. [he]A (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. [he]Q (20 votes [60.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.61%

  4. [he]4 (2 votes [6.06%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.06%

  5. [d]K (3 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  6. [d]7 (beer?) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. [c]Q (3 votes [9.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  8. [c]3 (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   matmat 

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Posted 2007-October-05, 08:00

Scoring: IMP

(P)-P-(2NT)-P
(P)-X-(AP)

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Posted 2007-October-05, 08:06

7. Doesn't this double require you to lead your shorter major?
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Posted 2007-October-05, 08:11

ochinko, on Oct 5 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

7. Doesn't this double require you to lead your shorter major?

i dunno. that's why i'm asking :P
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Posted 2007-October-05, 08:18

matmat, on Oct 5 2007, 05:11 PM, said:

ochinko, on Oct 5 2007, 09:06 AM, said:

7. Doesn't this double require you to lead your shorter major?

i dunno. that's why i'm asking :P

Well, if not on the lead 7 could at least be helpful at the post-mortem. :P
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Posted 2007-October-05, 08:21

If partner has his double, then your lead shouldn't matter... Sadly, partner is almost gaurunteed not to have his double. I have a 14 count, the NT opener has 20, leaving partner with ????

(Please tell me that partner isn't one of those idiots who doubles any 2NT opening that is in danger of getting passed out. I've played agains folks who maintained that this was a winning strategy. They typically maintained this until the partner of the 2NT opener "psyched" a pass with a balanced 8 count).

I'd lead the Queen of Hearts.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 08:45

Partner passed, so he simply does not possess AKQJT of spades. else he had open, so spade is out for me.

Maybe he has a balanced hand and think they will fail if we don´t gift them a trick. B)
Maybe he is just another junior with too much testosteron. :P
Maybe he has a running minor. :P

I try the queen of clubs or the king of diamonds. I voted the later, but it is close.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 09:09

Without knowing methods for opening is hard to tell, but normally pairs dont have 2weak bid in , so is the more logic lead, i play Q :P

but if 2nt is 20-21 and no conventions, looks really absurd bid...
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Posted 2007-October-05, 10:01

Come on guys, it is soooo obvious that partner doubled on the theory that dummy has no entry etc.

I would lead K as anything else is too likely to give declarer a finesse that he could never take, or give him the K for free when we know partner has an entry.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 10:21

hrothgar, on Oct 5 2007, 09:21 AM, said:

(Please tell me that partner isn't one of those idiots who doubles any 2NT opening that gets passed out).

Sadly, I think our hand tells us exactly this.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 10:48

jdonn, on Oct 5 2007, 11:21 AM, said:

hrothgar, on Oct 5 2007, 09:21 AM, said:

(Please tell me that partner isn't one of those idiots who doubles any 2NT opening that gets passed out).

Sadly, I think our hand tells us exactly this.

Agree.

I disagree with many of the posters on the opening lead. Clearly partner has some values - as little as there is out there, he must have everything that declarer does not have. But the lead of the K or Q may be the only way that declarer can establish 8 tricks - if you are unlucky enough to hit upon declarer's long suit (or the opponent's fit).

I lead the Q. Even if this gives declarer a trick, and even if I have to give him a SECOND heart trick later, I am reasonably sure that we will take 6 tricks before declarer takes 8 tricks.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 10:48

can't see leading anything but the queen of hearts.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 12:02

Huh, is this intended as a problem?

I'd lead the Q in my sleep.
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Posted 2007-October-05, 12:56

skaeran, on Oct 5 2007, 07:02 PM, said:

I'd lead the Q in my sleep.

It will be a nightmare if I don't lead it ! :)
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Posted 2007-October-05, 16:00

Q.

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Posted 2007-October-05, 16:59

"the idiot" doubled because either
1) It was his turn to bid
2) He heard somewhere (here maybe), 2NT-P-P-?? requires a double

Lead the Heart Queen
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Posted 2007-October-06, 04:06

inquiry, on Oct 5 2007, 05:59 PM, said:

"the idiot" doubled because either
1) It was his turn to bid
2) He heard somewhere (here maybe), 2NT-P-P-?? requires a double

Lead the Heart Queen

ben nailed it :) (i blame the forum).
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Posted 2007-October-06, 04:12

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guess i learned my lesson. tx all
apologies to p, for various things :)

followup... is the HQ your lead without the double also (i assume so, but wanna check)
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Posted 2007-October-06, 05:38

lovelly, 21 total tricks in NT, 1 card = 2690 points, you forgot to tell us this was a grand slam lead problem :)
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  Posted 2007-October-07, 16:26

Conclusion number 1, partner is a super idiot, he can't possibly have a penalty double over a regular 2 NT opener.

Conclusion number 2, partner is a super idiot pickup partner who doubled as a DONT bid or some other convention which describes a 1 suited hand (of course without telling you).

Conclusion number 3, partner is your regular partner who doubled as a DONT bid or some other convention which describes a 1 suited hand (and you forgot your system ;) ).

So did I guess right? ;)

Lead the Q, pray very very hard that dummy has the King as his only honor card or that partner has it (yeah right :lol: ), and that declarer uses this entry to finesse to your doubleton Q. Declarer will not let you get in with a diamond if he can help it.

Good luck,

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Posted 2007-October-07, 16:33

I don't care what pard might have. Q.
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