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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2008-February-09, 21:54

all white imps

Qxx
AQ10
Jxxx
Qxx

(1s)-p-(1n)-2h
(p)-?

You're playing that 2♠ is a limit raise, 2NT is natural/invitational, and 3♦ shows a good raise to 3♥. I think those are the only options here.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 22:14

I will make one of my 2 bids to show an invitational hand with heart support.
3♦ or 2♠.   Does one of these bids show 3 card support only? If so, that is the one I choose.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 22:18

3♦ for me. The fact that partner is coming in with KJ empty means he probably has a pretty reasonable hand, though.
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Posted 2008-February-09, 22:30

I will try 2nt but.....

hmm what does 3d show? something just barely under a limit raise?
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Posted 2008-February-09, 23:48

mike777, on Feb 9 2008, 11:30 PM, said:

I will try 2nt but.....

hmm what does 3d show? something just barely under a limit raise?


yes, a hand that would normally raise to 3h but is really close to a LR
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Posted 2008-February-10, 00:04

3D, seems clear.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-10, 00:09

call me a wuss, but I think I prefer the 3H raise. Qxx spades could be ok or really bad, since 1S opener is on lead and spades could be 5332 around. 4333 shape also puts me off.
But given OP says the only options we have are 2S, 2NT and 3D, then I will opt for 3D.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 00:15

Yes, this is a terrible terrible 11-count, that's why we bid 3D and not 2S I believe.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-February-10, 00:47

good system, bid 3D and utilize it.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 01:29

rogerclee, on Feb 10 2008, 11:18 AM, said:

3♦ for me. The fact that partner is coming in with KJ empty means he probably has a pretty reasonable hand, though.

2S for me.
If pd has a reasonable hand she will bid 4 anyway or make a try. Wtp?
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Posted 2008-February-10, 01:44

I guess I would bid 3D, 2S sounds stronger, and I want to
encourage partner, but dont want to get him nuts.

Given that he was in a prebal. situation, 2H needs to be
based on full values, a good weak two type hand will be
enough.

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Posted 2008-February-10, 02:46

I am not entirely sure of the intended subtleties of 3♦ I will just make a normal limit raise with 2♠ and reserve 3♦ for something a little weaker.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 03:33

Apollo81, on Feb 10 2008, 03:54 AM, said:

You're playing that 2♠ is a limit raise, 2NT is natural/invitational, and 3♦ shows a good raise to 3♥. I think those are the only options here.

You forgot pass.

Anyway, I'll bid a simple 3♥ if opps are the sort of pair who opens on 10 hcp and responds on 3. Opposite solid bidders I'll just pass.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 12:05

Partner's hand is Jx J9xxxx Ax AKx

He will clearly accept a limit raise, but should he bid game after the 3♦ bid?
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Posted 2008-February-10, 14:18

Apollo81, on Feb 10 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

Partner's hand is Jx J9xxxx Ax AKx

He will clearly accept a limit raise, but should he bid game after the 3♦ bid?

I wouldn't.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 14:38

I am really drawn to 2NT. This might get us to a making 3NT when 9 tricks are the limit in hearts. On partner's actual hand, he will bid 3♥ on his crappy six bagger and I will pass. If he shows a 2-suiter I go to 4♥.

This is based on my assumption that 2♥ is not a prebalance on this non-fit sequence. If we do prebalance in this sequence, put me down for 3♦.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 15:27

rogerclee, on Feb 11 2008, 09:18 AM, said:

Apollo81, on Feb 10 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

Partner's hand is Jx J9xxxx Ax AKx

He will clearly accept a limit raise, but should he bid game after the 3♦ bid?

I wouldn't.

Me neither.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 16:38

mikestar, on Feb 10 2008, 03:38 PM, said:

I am really drawn to 2NT. This might get us to a making 3NT when 9 tricks are the limit in hearts. On partner's actual hand, he will bid 3♥ on his crappy six bagger and I will pass.

I guarantee he would have bid 3NT over 2NT.
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Posted 2008-February-10, 19:57

Apollo81, on Feb 10 2008, 01:05 PM, said:

Partner's hand is Jx J9xxxx Ax AKx

He will clearly accept a limit raise, but should he bid game after the 3♦ bid?

I am not a fan of these methods.

Partner has made a 2 level overcall, and can be expected to have a decent hand.
We are playing IMPS, and don't need to conduct delicate auctions looking for a reason to stay out of game. I would rather use one of the bids (the cue or the transfer) to show an invitation with 4 card support, rather than have one bid show a slightly better raise than the other.

For hands on the margins, whether game makes or not depends on how the hands fit, exactly which cards are held, and subtle differences in raises do not help the overcaller judge.
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Posted 2008-February-11, 05:10

What's the difference between a 'limit raise' and a 'good raise' this all seems a bit too subtle for me?
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