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Upgrade? Open 1NT or no?

Poll: Would you open this hand 1NT (25 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you open this hand 1NT

  1. Open 1NT, I add 1 point for each 10 + 5 card suit (8 votes [32.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.00%

  2. I would consider opening 1NT but I wont ever do it (2 votes [8.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  3. Clearly 1C opener, rebid 1NT over partner's 1S (15 votes [60.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.00%

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#1 User is offline   grrigg 

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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:33

Scoring: IMP

You are playing 15-17 NT.

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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:35

If you're gonna add 1 pt for the 5th card, make sure the suit is a GOOD one. The hand is worth 14 hcp if you consider it balanced. If something, it's the AKJT of hearts that makes it worth 15, not the feeble clubs.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:40

Agree with Whereagles as for the 5-card, but the three tens makes me open 1NT anyway.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 04:56

Good hand, surely on-value for 1NT.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 05:02

I would open 1NT. Hand is probably good enough anyway, plus we are at favorable - perhaps 1NT may have some preemptive effect if the hand belongs to opponents in spades.

I wouldn't criticize someone for opening 1♣ and rebidding 1NT.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 05:05

I'd open 1♣. Don't think this is clear, but my style is to open a suit with 5-4, and the values here aren't enough to convince me to deviate from that.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 05:17

The K&R Evaluator tells you that the hand is worth 15.10, so yes, an upgrade is reasonable.

http://waggle.gg.cal...u/~jeff/knr.cgi

Bookmark it! It's quite useful. Interesting examples. Some don't like to open 1NT with Axxx Axx Axx Axx, but it's actually worth 16.70. Many open QJxx QJx QJx QJx. I think you agree that it's not worth a 12 count, but did you realise that it's worth a meagre 7.40?!

The hand Rain gave me to the left is only worth 19.00 :) Yet everyone would open 2NT. AKT QJT AK QJT98. It has to be this good to become a "20 count".

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Posted 2008-February-12, 05:58

cool counter. bk'ed it :P
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Posted 2008-February-12, 06:23

it's unfavorable, 4th seat
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Posted 2008-February-12, 06:24

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I'd open 1♣. Don't think this is clear, but my style is to open a suit with 5-4, and the values here aren't enough to convince me to deviate from that.


Partner responds 1♠ and you?
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Posted 2008-February-12, 08:18

I'd open 1NT because of the major tens and the tenaces and because 1NT openings are more descriptive/preemptive and we're NV so partner wont be as pushy when inviting and upgrading on value is at least halfway reasonable here
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Posted 2008-February-12, 08:20

isnt it standard for us to be in S (I was there so I know this is 4th seat unfavorable, so Greg apparently thought we are S)
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Posted 2008-February-12, 08:23

gwnn, on Feb 12 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

isnt it standard for us to be in S (I was there so I know this is 4th seat unfavorable, so Greg apparently thought we are S)

uhh i dunno, maybe?

I didnt see an auction so I assumed we were in 1st seat

red imps 4th I think I would probably settle for 1♣ here, rebidding 1nt as long as partner is going to invite more aggressively here than in other situations
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Posted 2008-February-12, 08:25

gwnn, on Feb 12 2008, 07:23 AM, said:

it's unfavorable, 4th seat

and apparently didnt read the other posts
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Posted 2008-February-12, 08:26

Apollo81, on Feb 12 2008, 09:23 AM, said:

gwnn, on Feb 12 2008, 09:20 AM, said:

isnt it standard for us to be in S (I was there so I know this is 4th seat unfavorable, so Greg apparently thought we are S)

uhh i dunno, maybe?

I didnt see an auction so I assumed we were in 1st seat

red imps 4th I think I would probably settle for 1♣ here, rebidding 1nt as long as partner is going to invite more aggressively here than in other situations

But against bad opps id still open 1n, this looks like an easy hadn to misdefend
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Posted 2008-February-12, 08:51

I don't upgrade this and I don't use K and R for balanced hands. QT 5th isn't good reason and JT / Kx are poor reasons.

I rebid 1N over 1♠.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 09:06

1N.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 09:38

1C, followed by 1NT.

It is certainly reasonable to upgrade
this hand, but certainly not matadory.

Given that you dont have the HCPs
and you dont have the shape, I would
not open 1NT.

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Posted 2008-February-12, 10:17

1C, agree KR sucks for balanced hands. It counts aces way too much.
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Posted 2008-February-12, 10:35

I don't like the ♠JT holding, for either right-siding or upgrading. 1♣ for me.
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