[han]

You are playing with a decent junior without very many agreements.

Scoring: IMP

1C-1D
3C-3S-(Dbl)
p -Rdbl
3NT-4C
4D -4S
??

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Do you agree with your bids so far? What is your next call?

If you bid keycards, what is your plan if partner shows 3?

[gnasher]

I'd bid 5H, planning to sign off in 6C if he bids 5S. There's no danger of us bidding a grand slam off an ace - partner has denied HK, so without DA either he can't have enough tricks to bid seven.

A Keycard 4NT is unappealing, because after a three-ace response I will have no idea what to do.

If I could bid Keycard and follow with a 5D grand slam try, I'd do that. However, 5D would be asking for the trump queen.

Edit: I'm happy enough with my bidding so far, although I wonder if I was supposed to do something different over 3S to say I had a heart stop. Maybe redouble should say "I would have bid 3NT without his double; now that he's doubled, I think you should play it"?

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2008-February-17, 06:13

[P_Marlowe]

#1 I agree with the bidding, I assume XX showed
first round control in spades, which means the Ace?
#2 my first question, would not, what will I do, if partner
showes 3KC, my first question would be, what will I do,
if partner showes up with only 1KC?
Can I sign of in 5NT, and if yes, do I really want to
play 5NT?
Personally I can sign of in 5NT, but I am not willing to
play 5NT, i.e I bid 5C, if partner is looking at 3 Aces he
will bid 6C himself.
#3 If, for whatever reason I am psychic, and I know partner
showes 3, I will go looking for 7, i.e. ask for the king of
hearts / spades

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Fluffy]

partner has bid twice spade ace?, he either has ♠K ot doesn't want to sing off in 5♣. so he has extras. Either way I have what I need for a 13th trick or a good chance of it.

Blackwood for me, then show all keycards to partner.

[han]

Marlowe, if partner has 1 keycard then you can pass in 5C.

[han]

Fluffy, on Feb 17 2008, 10:14 AM, said:

Blackwood for me, then show all keycards to partner.

If you bid blackwood partner indeed shows all the keycards. Now suppose you bid 5NT, what would you do if partner (a) sings off in 6C, (B) bids 7C.

[andy_h]

Agree with the bidding. I'm going to keycard now, then bid 5NT after partner shows 3. I've bid my hand with 3C.
I guess I pass over partner's decision of 6/7C.

[bhall]

First, I worry that partner may believe that 4N is an offer to play there. I have already bid 3N, which is the trip-wire in many partnerships for the 4N rebid to be treated as natural. Second, I observe that I hold 8 playing tricks, rather than the 7 I promised with my 3C jump. So 7♣ is a definite possibility.

I think I will forego the dubious comforts of RKC and just cue my way to heaven: 5♥-5N-7♣.
If partner bids only 6♣ over my ♥ cue, I will make one more try with 6N.

[han]

This is really a problem that I think you can get "right", even though I did not get it right at the table.

4NT would really be RKC here for us, even though we both thought that 4NT should be a Francessian "heart control, slam interest".

[Winstonm]

I like to have a better stopper than x to suggest 3N as a place to play - 3N sounds to me like Qx in this sequence.

I would have bid 4D over the redouble. I don't know how this would affect the subsequent auction, but at least then the less-defined hand would be in charge of the auction.

Anyone but me notice how often posted problems are the result of trying to guess what partner holds rather than limiting our hand to partner and letting him take control of level? Might there be a lesson in this somewhere?

[Fluffy]

I respect partner's decisions and pass 6♣ and 7♣.

[Fluffy]

mmmm, 7♣ is in danger on a spade lead, I see

[benlessard]

Axxx
xx
AQxx
Axx

So 7Nt is better.

Im wondering do some like to rebid 2C instead of 3C ? Some strong players i know then to make very heavy 2C bid instead of rebidding 3C. Ive decided to give it a try too and so far 2C is rarely passed out and when it is passed there is no game.
Of course these are quite rare hand so i wont be able to make a clear assessment for quite a while.

[benlessard]

yep 2 clubs is way more likely then 3.

[gnasher]

Jlall, on Feb 18 2008, 09:13 AM, said:

benlessard, on Feb 18 2008, 02:29 AM, said:

Axxx
xx
AQxx
Axx

So 7Nt is better.

yes, or worse partner having only 2 clubs (or 1???) in which case 7N is SIGNIFICANTLY better.

I'm puzzled. Did 5NT promise all the key cards and the jack of diamonds? If not, how did partner know to bid 7C? And how come he didn't bid 7NT himself?

Isn't it more likely that he has AKx xx A10xxx A9x, where partner has correctly decided to play it in clubs so that we can ruff out the diamonds?