The level you prefer If you knew all cards
#2
Posted 2008-April-22, 09:07
- hrothgar
#3
Posted 2008-April-22, 09:20
-P.J. Painter.
#4
Posted 2008-April-22, 09:25
My mental napkin brings it in around 66-67%.
#5
Posted 2008-April-22, 09:34
#7
Posted 2008-April-22, 10:06
Oh wait, mps, 7NT it is.
#8
Posted 2008-April-22, 10:20
pclayton, on Apr 22 2008, 03:25 PM, said:
that is indeed extremely close to the actual odds.
#9
Posted 2008-April-22, 10:45
When J♣ does not drop, you will have cold sweats whether to finesse the heart at trick 10, or play for the drop. Discards may reveal something, but good opposition will not tell you anything.
#10
Posted 2008-April-22, 10:49
#11
Posted 2008-April-22, 10:58
jdonn, on Apr 22 2008, 10:49 AM, said:
Yep..so I prefer 7NT at MP's also.
#12
Posted 2008-April-22, 11:11
Also easy 7nt at imps.
Best Regards
Ole Berg
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
#13
Posted 2008-April-22, 11:45
dcvetkov, on Apr 22 2008, 05:45 PM, said:
When J♣ does not drop, you will have cold sweats whether to finesse the heart at trick 10, or play for the drop. Discards may reveal something, but good opposition will not tell you anything.
But we are asked what contract we prefer, if we knew all cards. You don't have to sweat about finesse or drop, you know all the cards.
#14
Posted 2008-April-22, 11:58
FrancesHinden, on Apr 22 2008, 12:45 PM, said:
dcvetkov, on Apr 22 2008, 05:45 PM, said:
When J♣ does not drop, you will have cold sweats whether to finesse the heart at trick 10, or play for the drop. Discards may reveal something, but good opposition will not tell you anything.
But we are asked what contract we prefer, if we knew all cards. You don't have to sweat about finesse or drop, you know all the cards.
If we interpret the question this way, then I'd rather see all the cards before deciding.
#15
Posted 2008-April-22, 12:17
#16
Posted 2008-April-22, 12:35
♣Jxx = 0.622 *3/7 = 0.267
♣Jx = 0.305 * 2/7 = 0.087
♣J singleton = 0.068 * 1/7 = 0.009
Subtotal = 0.363
♥Q onside = (1-0.363) / 2 = 0.318
So I've already got to 68%, without including either singleton ♥Q offside or the showup squeeze when LHO has ♣Jxxxx and ♥xxx.
#17
Posted 2008-April-22, 12:49
gnasher, on Apr 22 2008, 01:35 PM, said:
♣Jxx = 0.622 *3/7 = 0.267
♣Jx = 0.305 * 2/7 = 0.087
♣J singleton = 0.068 * 1/7 = 0.009
Subtotal = 0.363
♥Q onside = (1-0.363) / 2 = 0.318
So I've already got to 68%, without including either singleton ♥Q offside or the showup squeeze when LHO has ♣Jxxxx and ♥xxx.
I think the showup squeeze requires a star trek style device to beam you from dummy to your hand after running all the tricks.
#18
Posted 2008-April-22, 13:51
gnasher, on Apr 22 2008, 01:35 PM, said:
♣Jxx = 0.622 *3/7 = 0.267
♣Jx = 0.305 * 2/7 = 0.087
♣J singleton = 0.068 * 1/7 = 0.009
Subtotal = 0.363
♥Q onside = (1-0.363) / 2 = 0.318
So I've already got to 68%, without including either singleton ♥Q offside or the showup squeeze when LHO has ♣Jxxxx and ♥xxx.
You dont need all those calculations. Assuming they always bid 6nt at the other table, it's just good enough without the ♣10. Only Just.
Best Regards
Ole Berg
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
_____________________________________
We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
#19
Posted 2008-April-22, 14:04
OleBerg, on Apr 22 2008, 02:51 PM, said:
gnasher, on Apr 22 2008, 01:35 PM, said:
♣Jxx = 0.622 *3/7 = 0.267
♣Jx = 0.305 * 2/7 = 0.087
♣J singleton = 0.068 * 1/7 = 0.009
Subtotal = 0.363
♥Q onside = (1-0.363) / 2 = 0.318
So I've already got to 68%, without including either singleton ♥Q offside or the showup squeeze when LHO has ♣Jxxxx and ♥xxx.
You dont need all those calculations. Assuming they always bid 6nt at the other table, it's just good enough without the ♣10. Only Just.
Best Regards
Ole Berg
I'm not sure I understand this. Without the ♣10, you will make 7NT when West holds ♥Q, when East holds it singleton, and when East is void in hearts, all of which comes to about 57%.
That would not be good enough odds if there were only one other table (at IMPs - BAM is a different matter). Experience suggests that it is not good enough odds at matchpoints either, unless playing in a small field of uniformly high standard. One could imagine a number of pairs agreeing hearts at an early stage in the auction, finding out that ♥Q is missing, and settling for a small slam in hearts. Without ♣10, I would be content with 6NT in most fields at matchpoints (the form of scoring specified in the original post).
Even with ♣10, I still consider that many pairs will find it difficult to bid to 7NT, and I would estimate that 6NT making seven would score pretty well.
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It little matters what they thought -
We hang for what they wrote.
#20
Posted 2008-April-22, 14:11
jdonn, on Apr 22 2008, 07:49 PM, said:
True. Luckily, I swapped my right to look at the opponents' cards for a helicopter.