[H_KARLUK]

Scoring: IMP

All pass or ?

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[gwnn]

i would pass it out. The E hand is closest to opening to be honest but only if playing strong club or something.

[rogerclee]

I'd open 1♣ in 4th.

[NickRW]

I think the East hand is (just) worth an opening playing Acol personally. The North hand - erm - as a 4th seat possible opener is very borderline indeed - maybe if I'm feeling lucky I'd try something with it - but most times I guess I'd pass with it.

[whereagles]

Easy: open a weak 2♣ on East hand

Then it would go, perhaps

2♣ pass pass dbl
pass 2/3♠ (AP)

And it might make 3.

[H_KARLUK]

Laughing free

I would bid 1♠ 2nd seat with such a fine vulnerability. I saw many experts adjusted Rule of 20 to Rule of 19. (5 ♠ + 4 ♦ =9 +10 HCP = 19)

In Pau, France the 49th edition of the European Team Championships of all categories players worked out for same deals same day.

Tho in general all went well; as a matter of style similar 21-19 positions sometimes passed out. Above post taken 1 or maybe 2 weeks ago (If I remember correct) which dealt on BBO.

[NickRW]

H_KARLUK, on Dec 4 2008, 05:32 AM, said:

I would bid 1♠ 2nd seat with such a fine vulnerability. I saw many experts adjusted Rule of 20 to Rule of 19. (5 ♠ + 4 ♦ =9 +10 HCP = 19)

I've no problem with with opening rule of 19s if they look reasonable - but, in this case - apart from the fact that the spades are a bit anemic, do you really want count QJ♣ double as a full 3 points? On top of that it is a 5422 shape as opposed to a 5431 which doesn't add to the attraction either.

[H_KARLUK]

Just asked his opinion to a STAR friend from Canada.

"Passed out".

I sincerely thank to all inputs abt issue.

Hamdi

[kfay]

If 4 KFays are at the talbe this is getting passed around to North for sure.

What I'd do there depends on how I'm feeling psychologically that day but I don't know what's right or wrong, I've never thought extensively on 4th seat openers.

Thread hijack? Is this a clear passout at MPs?

From here I don't see much point at opening it in IMPs anyways.

[bid_em_up]

kfay, on Dec 4 2008, 11:27 AM, said:

If 4 KFays are at the talbe this is getting passed around to North for sure.

What I'd do there depends on how I'm feeling psychologically that day but I don't know what's right or wrong, I've never thought extensively on 4th seat openers. 

Thread hijack?  Is this a clear passout at MPs? 

From here I don't see much point at opening it in IMPs anyways.

I think this depends a lot on your opening style in 1st/2nd seats. If you tend to use a light style opening, then this is a passout, regardless of form of scoring.

If you happen to use a sound opening 2/1 style in 1st/2nd seats, then this hand is an absolute must to open in 4th seat to protect partscores and even games for your side, at both forms of scoring.

jmoo.

[kenrexford]

Style thing, I suppose.

I'd open East because I have a great rebid and because the AK109 combo bumps up one point, IMO.

I'd open South because I overbid with spades a bit.

I'd open West 1♥ because I have playing strength and good reason to want a heart lead.

I'd pass North because I would open the other three hands and therefore can expect South to be slightly weaker than most would expect.

Not playing this way, I might pass all three first seats but then open in fourth seat.

I think it is either 3:1 or 1:3 if not 0:4.

[fromageGB]

Definitely style and system. I'd open 1C with E because I fancy getting in the bidding, responses to that are controlled, and I have a great suit to rebid. I'd open 2S with S because experience says it gains more than it loses. The other 2 hands pass, N mainly because if partner hasn't opened, we are not going anywhere, especially at IMPS.

So that's a vote for 2:0