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Open 2C or not? II

Poll: How do you feel about this? (71 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you feel about this?

  1. 1. LOL, 2C obv. (15 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  2. 2. 2C, 1D would be inferior (15 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  3. 3. 2C, but I can easily live with 1D (13 votes [18.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 18.57%

  4. 4. 1D, but I can easily live with 2C (7 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  5. 5. 1D, 2C would be inferior (15 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  6. 6. LOL, 1D obv. (4 votes [5.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.71%

  7. 7. No more mushrooms, Michael! (1 votes [1.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.43%

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#1 User is offline   MFA 

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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:03

A
AQT7
KQJ8543
A
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:06

Definitely 1 for me. I can understand some people might want to open 2.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:13

1, 2 understandable but inferior methinks.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:18

2 seems obvious to me.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:21

This depends on the field for me. In my local, I wouldn't be comfortable enough to open 1D due to the very real chance of 1D AP. However, in a very aggressive field, it would be great to see an auction like

1D-2S-P-3S
X-P-4C-P
5D...

and your hand is pretty much fully described.

At WvR, its a clear 2C opener though, partner will never appreciate how good this hand is while not raising on the wrong hands.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:26

Polish style 1 if available.

Else 2 for me. If pard can't bid hearts, I'll play 5.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:29

I will open 2 as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. Not because I want to play in hearts, but to help partner evaluate. If not I'll open 1 even though I think it's worth 2. It's easy to say we have slam opposite (for example) the heart king, but that only helps us if we reach it opposite the heart king and not another king or no kings.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:33

2, unbalanced GF with diamonds or 21-22, 7 controls, balanced. We have ways to find the heart fit if it's there.

If that's not available, 2.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:37

2 despite the awkward shape. Just too much strength to represent the power of this hand with a 1 opening and get partner to cooperate intelligently. Also, with half the deck and all but one of the aces, I have a legitimate fear of 1 being passed out despite the 1-4-7-1 shape. 3NT is likely to be cold opposite most hands with 5-4 or 4-5 in the blacks, and 5 is a likely make opposite any hand with a heart card of J or higher, and some hands without that good of a heart holding.

I voted 2, with 1 being inferior. In all likelihood, you can get away with opening 1 on this hand. But for the reasons stated I believe that 2 is better.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 11:52

1, might take advantage of the fact that it denies 5 card major.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 12:04

3 showing a 1=4=7=1 game force.

If I'm not allowed to make up a system which has a call that shows this exact hand, then I will open 2 or 1 depending on my methods over 2.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 12:09

I hate opening 2, but even I will open this hand 2.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 13:04

I voted for 2, 1 doesn't seem terrible to me.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 13:15

jdonn, on Jan 9 2009, 12:29 PM, said:

I will open 2 as long as I have a way to show four hearts with longer diamonds. Not because I want to play in hearts, but to help partner evaluate. If not I'll open 1 even though I think it's worth 2. It's easy to say we have slam opposite (for example) the heart king, but that only helps us if we reach it opposite the heart king and not another king or no kings.

agreed.. josh's point about helping partner is something that (seems to me) is often overlooked or not sufficiently valued by those who open shapely hands, with fewer than the traditional hcp, with 2.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 13:28

Some people playh 2-2-3M = diamonds and 4 in the bid major. That would be good for this hand. Otherwise I'll open 1, as I will have trouble showing x46+x after a 2 opener
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Posted 2009-January-09, 13:38

I also am afraid of this getting passed out in 1. I open 2, maybe something create will arise to help me show my hearts, or extra length... I don't like any of my choices here :P

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Posted 2009-January-09, 14:22

2, Acol two. No reason to make system up!
Failing that I don't feel strongly between the two options.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 15:20

So, two votes for 2, for different reasons and using different systems. No, I didn't make up my 2 bid eiher. It's Romex's Mexican 2. :P
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Posted 2009-January-09, 15:44

blackshoe, on Jan 9 2009, 04:20 PM, said:

So, two votes for 2, for different reasons and using different systems. No, I didn't make up my 2 bid eiher. It's Romex's Mexican 2. :P

I believe that the Mexican 2 opening as developed by George Rosenkranz showed a balanced hand of 19-20 HCP.

There is a variation of the Mexican 2 opening developed later by others which included three types of hands: (1) a balanced hand of 21-22 HCP; (2) a super-strong balanced hand of 27-28 HCP; or (3) a strong hand with primary diamonds. It is this third variety which you must be referring to.

I don't know if this variation was a part of the Romex system. Then again, I haven't played the Romex system in about 20 years.
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Posted 2009-January-09, 16:18

The main difference from this hand and the other is that even though I'm missing only 20 HCP (instead of 25) I'm not as afraid of the bid being passed around because I have only one spade. People love bidding spades.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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