[Apollo81]

R/w IMPs

♠KT976 ♥KJ752 ♦AJ ♣T

1♠ (p) 3♠* (p)

?

*weak

[MFA]

I assume it's a matter of style, but the way I play 3♠ this is a clear pass.

[Apollo81]

MFA, on Jun 10 2009, 10:33 AM, said:

I assume it's a matter of style, but the way I play 3♠ this is a clear pass.

FWIW partner is a good player but this is the first time youve played together

[mtvesuvius]

Must avoid TLAs. Must. Avoid. Acronyms.

Pass.

[se12sam]

Six loser hand. If partner has what he promises (8 losers, 4 card spade), I can afford to be in game.

I do not expect to make it every time, but at IMPs the odds may surely favour going on to game.

[neilkaz]

MFA, on Jun 10 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

I assume it's a matter of style, but the way I play 3♠ this is a clear pass.

For me, when playing 3♠ as preemptive, it is weak even at this vul. The absolute best PD will have is a very junky 4 card minimal raise to 2♠ if playing "standard". If PD has even as much 6 HCP, they will be scattered quacks or there will be some defect like a stiff K or q. Since PD usually has less, I doubt game is close to favorite.

I'll pass.

[skjaeran]

Comes down to style. My preempts are real preempts here. Thus, it's a clear pass.

[NickRW]

Totally depends on what you mean by "weak". If it is of the 8 loser variety then this worth a shot at game. If "weak" really means what it says, then no.

Nick

[kfay]

This is an obvious raise. Give partner QJxx of spades and I already love my chances, vulnerable.

[jdonn]

I pass and think it's clear, opposite my idea of a preemptive raise even at this vul. I don't understand some comments at all, for example how is a hand with just QJxx of spades a good game, or even a game with play?

[Lobowolf]

Man, some of you guys play some strong weak raises!


Passssssssssssssssssss.

[mikeh]

Pass... I wouldn't be surprised to make 10 tricks, especially if he tracks xx in hearts and my lead to the K holds, but I would expect to go down at least 75% of the time.... with one partner, make it more like 85%.

[kfay]

jdonn, on Jun 10 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

I pass and think it's clear, opposite my idea of a preemptive raise even at this vul. I don't understand some comments at all, for example how is a hand with just QJxx of spades a good game, or even a game with play?

oops.... miscounted my losers lol

Yeah I pass. Opposite any of my partners the only way we're making game is if they have a stiff ♦, which is like not possible.

[kfay]

Then again... I'm tempted to raise to game because now the more I think about it.... wtf?!?! Aren't the opps cold for 5♣?!

Maybe that's the theme of this thread. But that's too deep for me.... hey they might let me acutally play 3♠

[Codo]

We are r/w. When I bid a confident 4 Spade, they may defend with 4 NT, finding 5 club, making. Too depressive, so I better pass. (And 4 spade is failing most of the time anyway)

[Ulrich]

4S against good players - dis ist cheapen sacrifice. Pass against nicht gutens who will let me playing dis wun.

[Apollo81]

The actual hand occurred at MPs, and the hand given bid game, going down one. When asked my opinion, I said that it was clear to pass at MPs, but that bidding game had merit at IMPs.

[kenrexford]

I understand the comments so far, based on the agreements.

However, I don't understand an agreement where 3♠ can be bid red-on-white where 4♠ is not the right call, either making or blocking.

What, partner has insufficient values to justify bidding on with this hand AND has defense to boot? That's a sick style, IMO. We just go for 200 or 300 without even a double when I have a boring 5332 11-count too often, against air.

But, whatever.

[hanp]

Clear pass. Both opponents have passed, it's very likely that you are allowed to play 3S.

[pooltuna]

MFA, on Jun 10 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

I assume it's a matter of style, but the way I play 3♠ this is a clear pass.

so is this a 3♠ bid

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