[DanHarting]

As east, you hold:

Scoring: MP

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Pass Pass 1S Pass
2H ???

2H is non-forcing. (You think...)

1) Do you agree with east's initial pass?

2) What do you do now?

[TylerE]

1. Nope, I think 3♦ is totally obvious here, at least for anyone born after 1920.

2. I've made this grave, now I lie in it. Pass. Any # of ♦ now shows less shape and more highcards.

[Jlall]

Pls open 3D!

[Phil]

Jlall, on Nov 20 2009, 07:54 PM, said:

Pls open 3D!

Or at least two.

[jdonn]

3 is at least 2! Yes open 3♦. In fact I think it's safe to say I would never agree with a weak 2 bid on a 7 card suit when not vul at mps.

[gnasher]

I think opening 3♦ is horrible. It has far too much outside diamonds and the suit is at best mediocre. How on earth is partner supposed to judge what to do if you might have either this hand or x xxx KQJxxxx xx? Second-seat preempts should be pure.

[TylerE]

We preempt to give the opponents trouble, not bid constructively to game.

[the hog]

Agree with Andy here. 3D is poor in this seat.

[MickyB]

jdonn, on Nov 21 2009, 02:07 AM, said:

3 is at least 2! Yes open 3♦. In fact I think it's safe to say I would never agree with a weak 2 bid on a 7 card suit when not vul at mps.

Axxxxxx Qx xx xx 2nd in?

[Jlall]

MickyB, on Nov 20 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 21 2009, 02:07 AM, said:

3 is at least 2! Yes open 3♦. In fact I think it's safe to say I would never agree with a weak 2 bid on a 7 card suit when not vul at mps.

Axxxxxx Qx xx xx 2nd in?

I'm with you but jdonn is weird

[debrose]

1) Yes
2) Could go either way. Never bidding could be very wrong, but also very right. There's a good chance that LHO is rebidding some number of spades, and I don't especially want a diamond lead. But a club may be worse. I also don't want them to play me for short spades.

[debrose]

Oh, and I meant to say that I was born after 1920, at least as far as I can remember.....

[P_Marlowe]

3D, now.

At one point in time you should bid your 7 card suit.

And 2H is coming from a passed hand, so 2H is certainly
not overwhelmingly strong.

And I would have passed as well, and I am born after 1920,
but I may come from a different galaxy.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[jdonn]

Jlall, on Nov 20 2009, 09:44 PM, said:

MickyB, on Nov 20 2009, 09:05 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 21 2009, 02:07 AM, said:

3 is at least 2! Yes open 3♦. In fact I think it's safe to say I would never agree with a weak 2 bid on a 7 card suit when not vul at mps.

Axxxxxx Qx xx xx 2nd in?

I'm with you but jdonn is weird

Well he jumped to incorrect conclusions since he would open that hand 2♠. Jdonn is still weird though.

[gnasher]

TylerE, on Nov 21 2009, 03:00 AM, said:

We preempt to give the opponents trouble, not bid constructively to game.

When one of your opponents is a passed hand, the chance that your preempt will cause them trouble is much reduced, and the chance that it will inconvenience your partner is increased. Therefore a second-seat preempt should be sounder and have a narrower range than in other positions. You don't have to have been born in 1920 to know that.

[DanHarting]

At the table, I overcalled 3♦ on my second turn and got a bad result.

Not -300 or -500, but -420 for 4♠ making NS.

Should I have been suspicious of my singleton spade?

Is it more likely partner has 5 spades, or that the opponents have a fit?

Which is more likely to keep the opponents out of game, 3♦ or pass?

3♦ precludes opener rebidding 2♠, while pass might pass the hand out when opener is minimum with some hearts.

[H_KARLUK]

Pass

[gnasher]

DanHarting, on Nov 22 2009, 01:51 AM, said:

At the table, I overcalled 3♦ on my second turn and got a bad result.

Not -300 or -500, but -420 for 4♠ making NS.

Should I have been suspicious of my singleton spade?

Is it more likely partner has 5 spades, or that the opponents have a fit?

Which is more likely to keep the opponents out of game, 3♦ or pass?

3♦ precludes opener rebidding 2♠, while pass might pass the hand out when opener is minimum with some hearts.

I think you should assume that your opponents are competent unless you have reason to believe otherwise. Competent opponents won't play in 2♥ when they have 4♠ on. The way to get them to misjudge is to take their bidding space away, rather than leaving them to exchange information in comfort.

The only time you should worry about pushing them into game is when you know something that they don't. If you knew that their suits were breaking and their finesses were onside, you might decide to keep quiet. On this deal, things seem to be lying badly for them, so it's a good time to stir things up.

[OleBerg]

I would have opened 3♦, but has no problems with a pass.

Had I passed, I surely bid 3♦ now. It might easily be laydown.

[Codo]

I had no problems to pass both times and wait for the reasons Andy gave.

Of course there are players borne 2000 or later who think that it is fun to open every crap in very seat, but I would leave that to them.