[Oren Goren]

The heading asks it for me. I don't see how 6-10 with a known suit and another fits any of the allowed categories.

Have I missed something?

(I hope not because I'll feel especially stupid about it.)

oren

[hrothgar]

Oren Goren, on Dec 24 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

The heading asks it for me.  I don't see how 6-10 with a known suit and another fits any of the allowed categories.

Have I missed something?

(I hope not because I'll feel especially stupid about it.)

oren

there is actually a great deal of debate whether a 2♥ bid that shows

5+ Hearts AND
5+ cards in another suit

is legal at the GCC level...

Please feel free to consult the ACBL and ask for an official opinion.
We'll add it to the growing list...

[TimG]

Oren Goren, on Dec 24 2009, 03:35 AM, said:

The heading asks it for me. I don't see how 6-10 with a known suit and another fits any of the allowed categories.

Have I missed something?

Item #12 on the Mid-chart:

Quote

12. Opening two hearts or two spades showing a weak two bid, with a 4-card minor.

would tend to mean that this method is not legal in GCC events (else why include it on the Mid-Chart).

Further, I recently asked whether #12 could be expanded to include 2♥ showing 5+ hearts and any undisclosed 4+ side suit (in other words, 4♠+5♥ is one of the possibilities). The C&C Committee discussed the matter and determined that it was intentional that the possibility of majors was not permitted and decided not to change things. So, 2♥ showing 5+ hearts plus a 4+ side suit is not mid-chart legal.

[hrothgar]

TimG, on Dec 24 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

Oren Goren, on Dec 24 2009, 03:35 AM, said:

The heading asks it for me.  I don't see how 6-10 with a known suit and another fits any of the allowed categories.

Have I missed something?

Item #12 on the Mid-chart:

Quote

12. Opening two hearts or two spades showing a weak two bid, with a 4-card minor.

would tend to mean that this method is not legal in GCC events (else why include it on the Mid-Chart).

Further, I recently asked whether #12 could be expanded to include 2♥ showing 5+ hearts and any undisclosed 4+ side suit (in other words, 4♠+5♥ is one of the possibilities). The C&C Committee discussed the matter and determined that it was intentional that the possibility of majors was not permitted and decided not to change things. So, 2♥ showing 5+ hearts plus a 4+ side suit is not mid-chart legal.

For what its worth, I agree with what Tim is saying:
If I had to render a ruling on this matter, I'd make the same argument.

However, the ACBL has issued contradictory opinions.

[dake50]

Just put 11 in there and it passes like Pre 2C: 5+C and [4+M or not].

[Oren Goren]

Thanks, gentlemen.

I guess I didn't miss anything.

So, the question will be:

If one changes to 5+, can contain a side suit of length n+, is there a legal set of responses to cheaply find out if opener has that side suit.

Which brings us to my other ACBLish question in Offline Bridge? , about whether cheapest response asking for side suit; 2NT rebid saying "yes, THAT suit and no cheaper suit". Would be off over 2S.

Thanks
Uncontracted regards
oren