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What's your lead? Against this grand slam...

Poll: You lead... (30 member(s) have cast votes)

You lead...

  1. ...a spade (9 votes [30.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  2. ...a heart (21 votes [70.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.00%

  3. ...a diamond (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. ...a club (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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Posted 2009-December-30, 18:29

Say you hold:

♠J8763
♥842
♦J5
♣Q84

You hear the following exchange between your opponents:

1NT 2♣
2♦ 5NT(big hand)
7NT(I didn't open with 14)

Your lead sir/madam. Any comments will be appreciated.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2009-December-30, 18:50

I lead a spade, sounds to me the most passive card I have, declarer might be guessing the suit because partner has singleton anyway.
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Posted 2009-December-30, 19:00

Hanoi5, on Dec 30 2009, 07:29 PM, said:

Say you hold ♠ J8763♥ 842 ♦ J5 ♣ Q84
1NT 2♣
2♦ 5NT(big hand)
7NT(I didn't open with 14)
Your lead sir/madam. Any comments will be appreciated.
IMO ♠ = 10, ♥ = 7, ♦ = 4, ♣ = 2.
Agree with Fluffy that ♠ may be safest. Dummy is more likely to hold 4♥ than 4♠
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Posted 2009-December-30, 19:20

I lead a Heart. Spade would be my 2nd choice.
1. A Heart may help declarer to guess the suit but will seldom offer the 13th trick.
2. A spade might also help him to guess the suit, *and* it may also offer the 13th trick (ATx//K9x, etc.).

Anyway, if declarer can count my Spades he may well guess the Hearts in pard's hand (and misguess the Clubs hopefuly :)), so I'm rather confident about this Heart lead. If I had the ♥9xx (or worse : Txx), it would be tougher.
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Posted 2009-December-30, 19:41

heart. the only passive lead.
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Posted 2009-December-30, 20:23

I sympathize with a heart if partner can be guaranteed to have 0, but do you change your mind if dummy is known to be a very aggressive bidder, and partner could have a queen or even a king?

I guess I feel like a spade is most passive, it loses when their side has AKQ and 10 of spades or AKQ and 9 AND 4 cards in dummy AND they pick up the suit. Heart loses sometimes when partner has Jxxx or Qxx too...

(no I have no idea who it was that had to make this lead :unsure:)
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Posted 2009-December-30, 20:30

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Posted 2009-December-31, 03:36

Hi,

I would go with a major, and I voted spades, I have 5 of them,
but hearts may be the safer lead, but I go with leading my
longest and strongest.

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Posted 2009-December-31, 03:50

A heart. Simple!
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Posted 2009-December-31, 05:09

kayin801, on Dec 31 2009, 02:23 AM, said:

I guess I feel like a spade is most passive, it loses when their side has AKQ and 10 of spades or AKQ and 9 AND 4 cards in dummy AND they pick up the suit. Heart loses sometimes when partner has Jxxx or Qxx too...

Now which would you say is more likely?

1. they have AKQ and T or 9 of spades
2. partner has specifically Jxxx or Qxx of hearts (they bid grand on 33 or 32 hcp and they're missing the worst holding for a heart lead)
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Posted 2009-December-31, 05:31

kayin801, on Dec 31 2009, 02:23 AM, said:

I guess I feel like a spade is most passive, it loses when their side has AKQ and 10 of spades or AKQ and 9 AND 4 cards in dummy AND they pick up the suit. Heart loses sometimes when

What about declarer having ♠ATx in dummy facing ♠K9x in Hand, or any equivalent ? (any 6 cards including AKT9xx spades with split AK are dangerous holdings).
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Posted 2009-December-31, 06:51

Probably a heart, but if I'm leading a spade, I will lead the one I'd lead from the equivalent 4 card holding without the J, gives us a chance of coming out alive if partner has the Q or K.
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Posted 2009-December-31, 10:41

I thought it was close yesterday. Then I talked to cherdano last night. Now I feel dumb for not realizing how obvious a heart was.

How about, for LHO / RHO in spades:
HHxx / HT
HHxx / HTx and partner stiff 9
HH9x / H6 (or are you leading the 8?)
HHTx / Hx where he won't go right if you don't lead them, but may put in the ten if you do.

Whereas in hearts, partner probably just has nothing.

Edit: Ok we have the 6, scratch that third one! Unless it's H5 and someone leads the low one here...
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Posted 2009-December-31, 11:06

The heart seemed automatic to me when I looked at the hand, and nothing I later read changed my mind.

Put another way: the heart rarely, if ever, gives declarer something he can't get anyway...altho it will sometimes give him something he probably wouldn't play for: KQxx opposite A10, as an easy example. But any other lead may well give him something that he could never play for otherwise.

Which heart? The top one is the usual one and while it is somewhat revealing, it may be important for partner to have a count on this hand anyway so I am not going to try to cloud anyone's mind with a low one.
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Posted 2009-December-31, 11:14

jdonn, on Dec 31 2009, 11:41 AM, said:

Then I talked to cherdano last night. Now I feel dumb
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Posted 2009-December-31, 11:43

Would either opponent try to steal a grand swing on 6+minor semi-solid/solid?
Does that change the passive attitude for opening lead?

I had a similar problem vs. 6NT blast with 7xD solid. We had CK + CA cashing and opening leader decided C-opening lead lessening the legitimate chances, but killing the steal.
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