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#1 User is offline   bluecalm 

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Posted 2009-December-28, 02:01

Our hand :
KT6 K98 Q3 AT832; imps, we only vul;

pass - 2C* - 4H - ????

2C was precision polish style; 11-14hcp, 6+C or 5C-4Major.

Opponents don't have agreement about how they play 4H here but it's reasonable to assume it's very wide range.

In this problem I think one action is clearly the best and it's not close. My partner think the same but about different action :wacko:
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Posted 2009-December-28, 02:41

Can't see any possible bid other than 5C.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 02:46

Double could work but so what, it's a total guess and you have 5!!!! card support! Bid 5♣. Sometimes you even get to double 5♥ instead.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 02:49

I would bid 5♣.
I, of course, understand , that it is possible that both 5♣ and 4♥ go down, but think it is wrong to "hide" the huge ♣ support.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 07:42

bluecalm, on Dec 28 2009, 03:01 AM, said:

Our hand :
KT6 K98 Q3 AT832; imps, we only vul;

pass - 2C* - 4H - ????

2C was precision polish style; 11-14hcp, 6+C or 5C-4Major.

Opponents don't have agreement about how they play 4H here but it's reasonable to assume it's very wide range.

In this problem I think one action is clearly the best and it's not close. My partner think the same but about different action :)

The apparent, to me, calls to consider are X, pass,4♠, and 5♣. Either bid looks very likely to go down as we probably have 3 losers in 5♣ and the expected bad break in spades probably makes it unmakeable. So we are left with pass or X. I suspect the opps have at least an 8 card ♦ fit which does not bode well for setting 4♥ alot but nevertheless I will X.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 07:54

4♠?? huh??? wouldn't you bid the same with KTxxxx Kxx Qx Ax ? I changed 3 (three) black cards.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 08:03

gwnn, on Dec 28 2009, 08:54 AM, said:

4♠?? huh??? wouldn't you bid the same with KTxxxx Kxx Qx Ax ? I changed 3 (three) black cards.

It's not my system so I have to consider possible calls with in it. But I agree That I would bid 4♠ with the hand you provided . To me that seems to be a system limitation and given my hand and the bidding I expect partner to hold the 5♣ 4♠ 11-14 hand.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 10:11

5♣, you could anticipate opps bidding 5♥ by bidding 6♣ now I guess, but I don't like such anticipations cos they can be so wrong, and we have an easy double over 5♥ anyway.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 10:40

5♣ looks normal but its easy to see how it might not work out with 4♥ and 5♣ both down.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 11:21

bluecalm, on Dec 28 2009, 01:01 AM, said:

In this problem I think one action is clearly the best and it's not close. My partner think the same but about different action ;)

Overthinking at this juncture of the auction, and doing anything other than 5C, seems wrong. Something else might have worked out "best", but I don't think it can be best.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 12:21

I consider this to be a problem about what to do over 5♥.

5♣ at this point in the auction seems clear, whether it is the winning call or not.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 12:37

After bidding 5♣, in what way would double of 5♥ not be completely obvious?
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Posted 2009-December-28, 13:03

I'll also bid 5♣ here and will X 5♥ if the opps bid it.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 14:47

IMO 5♣ = 10, _P = 5, _X = 2. Whether it works or not, 5♣ is more likely to keep partner happy.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 15:35

jdonn, on Dec 28 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

After bidding 5♣, in what way would double of 5♥ not be completely obvious?

I didn't say that it wasn't completely obvious. But it is also completely obvious that one should bid 5♣ at this point in the auction.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 16:29

What's my key-ask? I'll try that.
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Posted 2009-December-28, 22:28

dake50, on Dec 28 2009, 03:29 PM, said:

What's my key-ask? I'll try that.

be glad there isn't one.
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Posted 2009-December-29, 04:21

ArtK78, on Dec 28 2009, 11:35 PM, said:

jdonn, on Dec 28 2009, 01:37 PM, said:

After bidding 5♣, in what way would double of 5♥ not be completely obvious?

I didn't say that it wasn't completely obvious. But it is also completely obvious that one should bid 5♣ at this point in the auction.

Yes it is 100% obvious to double over 5♥, but it is even more 100% obvious to bid 5♣ now. :lol:
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Posted 2009-December-29, 12:35

THanks all for the answers. It seems the problem was too simple :)
Actual layout was :

Scoring: IMP


Both 5C and 4H were making. We played 4H doubled :-)
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Posted 2009-December-29, 12:48

bluecalm, on Dec 29 2009, 01:35 PM, said:

THanks all for the answers. It seems the problem was too simple :)
Actual layout was :

Scoring: IMP


Both 5C and 4H were making. We played 4H doubled :-)

East is going to sell out to 5♣ w/r with a 6-6?

I'll bet no :)
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