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#1 User is offline   Aberlour10 

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Posted 2010-March-07, 10:31



I suppose similar problems have been already posted in forums....but I could not find it.

This hand seemed too strong for me ...for 2s opening in 1st seat. How would you handle this.... 1s? pass? something else?

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Posted 2010-March-07, 11:01

I bet almost unanimous 1♠ here
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Posted 2010-March-07, 11:32

I dont know what Fluffy means by "unanimous here". Surely this is a really clear 1S opening, it is an extremely strong hand. I see many of these "oh yes here on the forums" (like "here on the forums everybody thinks every double is takeout" and others) posts lately. Like this is a leper colony of biased and weak players. I am sorry but this is an absolutely clear-cut hand anywhere on this planet.

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Posted 2010-March-07, 11:52

Hi,

1S.

What to bid on your 2nd turn is more interesting,
I would go with 2D.

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PS: Make the hand

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Posted 2010-March-07, 12:18

easy 1♠ yes
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Posted 2010-March-07, 12:59

Not unanimous, I have a feeling one of ken's many meanings for a 2♦ opening shows this. But unanimous for the rest of the world except the occasional nut that opens 4♠.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 13:14

jdonn, on Mar 7 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

Not unanimous, I have a feeling one of ken's many meanings for a 2♦ opening shows this. But unanimous for the rest of the world except the occasional nut that opens 4♠.

(singing) Sometimes you feel like a nut...

but seriously, 1♠
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Posted 2010-March-07, 14:56

Fluffy, on Mar 7 2010, 12:01 PM, said:

I bet almost unanimous 1♠ here

WHAT!! YOU EXPECT BOTH PhantomSac AND Jdonn to agree with you !?!? but yeah it is a 1♠ opener to me B)
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Posted 2010-March-07, 15:17

jdonn, on Mar 7 2010, 01:59 PM, said:

Not unanimous, I have a feeling one of ken's many meanings for a 2♦ opening shows this. But unanimous for the rest of the world except the occasional nut that opens 4♠.

Close, but one too many spades. LOL

1♠ for me.

OK, can't stand it. I would open 1♦ is playing canape.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 17:17

1♠
OK
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Posted 2010-March-07, 18:49

1♠ and a big WTP ?
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Posted 2010-March-07, 20:52

1♠. If I can't do that, I open 1♠.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 20:56

I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:15

gwnn, on Mar 7 2010, 12:32 PM, said:

I see many of these "oh yes here on the forums" (like "here on the forums everybody thinks every double is takeout" and others) posts lately. Like this is a leper colony of biased and weak players.

I take these comments to mean that the forum has an area of group think and many idiosyncrasies that do not exist in the general bridge population. For sure forum standard in many situations is different from normal bridge standard.

As you said though, this is a clear opener.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:16

rogerclee, on Mar 7 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP.

I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why.

When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... ;)
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:30

mike777, on Mar 7 2010, 09:16 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 7 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP.

I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why.

When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :)

Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:36

neilkaz, on Mar 7 2010, 10:30 PM, said:

mike777, on Mar 7 2010, 09:16 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 7 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP.

I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why.

When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :)

Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers.

AGain.....in the b/i forum.......you may understand your post but trust me many of us may not.....


You tell us you have 14+ hcp but you open with ten hcp...why not in the spirit of full disclosure explain more at least in a forum. What is playing str.?

We hear the term plying strength often but what is that is some basic forum please?

For instance are basically all 6-5 dist hands with ten hcp = to 14+ hcp? If so why?
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In any event if you promise 14+ hcp and only have ten...can you understand some may find that a bit confusing in bridge. I do.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 21:56

mike777, on Mar 7 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

neilkaz, on Mar 7 2010, 10:30 PM, said:

mike777, on Mar 7 2010, 09:16 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 7 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP.

I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why.

When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :)

Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers.

AGain.....in the b/i forum.......you may understand your post but trust me many of us may not.....


You tell us you have 14+ hcp but you open with ten hcp...why not in the spirit of full disclosure explain more at least in a forum. What is playing str.?

We hear the term plying strength often but what is that is some basic forum please?

For instance are basically all 6-5 dist hands with ten hcp = to 14+ hcp? If so why?
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In any event if you promise 14+ hcp and only have ten...can you understand some may find that a bit confusing in bridge. I do.

OK for me, playing strength is trick taking ability and this hand has it on offense for sure and on defence it has 2 aces and 2.5 QT. I don't mind this hand on defence either should the opps somehow have most of the rest of the honors and outbid us.

I'm sure some of our W/C ability players will be able to provide a deeper explanation and even some comparisons.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 22:01

neilkaz, on Mar 7 2010, 10:56 PM, said:

mike777, on Mar 7 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

neilkaz, on Mar 7 2010, 10:30 PM, said:

mike777, on Mar 7 2010, 09:16 PM, said:

rogerclee, on Mar 7 2010, 09:56 PM, said:

I bet if you asked Fantunes what they would open in their system, they would open 1S showing 14 or more HCP.

I dont know if they would but if they do...I hope they post in the b/i forum why.

When experts promise 14 hcp but only have ten basic hcp for a one level bid......ok tell us more please... :)

Perhaps bcuz this hand is 65 and has more playing strength than some 15 hcp 1NT openers.

AGain.....in the b/i forum.......you may understand your post but trust me many of us may not.....


You tell us you have 14+ hcp but you open with ten hcp...why not in the spirit of full disclosure explain more at least in a forum. What is playing str.?

We hear the term plying strength often but what is that is some basic forum please?

For instance are basically all 6-5 dist hands with ten hcp = to 14+ hcp? If so why?
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In any event if you promise 14+ hcp and only have ten...can you understand some may find that a bit confusing in bridge. I do.

OK for me, playing strength is trick taking ability and this hand has it on offense for sure and on defence it has 2 aces and 2.5 QT. I don't mind this hand on defence either should the opps somehow have most of the rest of the honors and outbid us.

I'm sure some of our W/C ability players will be able to provide a deeper explanation and even some comparisons.

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I got to admit I have no idea what you are saying...you say you have trick taking ability...but what is that and why does this hand have it?


You say you like this hand for offense ok but why?

You say you like this hand for defense ok but why?


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I guess I am asking for much more detail........your judgment may be perfect but you just speak in terms of conclusion....

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my only point being posters have raised great points but not really explained them...just concluded them.
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Posted 2010-March-07, 22:39

I can bet that if you give this hand to a group of b/i most of them will bid 2s.
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