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Your call?

Poll: Your call? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call?

  1. Pass (1 votes [3.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  2. Double (31 votes [96.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 96.88%

  3. 5 spades (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Phil 

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Posted 2010-March-31, 08:49

MPs. Vulnerability unknown. If it matters, say so.

West holds: Axxx, xx, Axx, KQxx

South....West....North....East
1♣....pass....3♣....3♠
pass....4♠....5♣....pass
pass....?
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Posted 2010-March-31, 09:26

I think this is an obvious double! Unless I am misreading this we have KQxx of clubs.

The vulnerability is of course relevant except that this time it isn't imo. On most hands where 5S is right partner would already have bid it.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-March-31, 09:47

Saw it off
OK
bed
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Posted 2010-March-31, 09:59

uhh...??????????????????????

Awaiting dburn and picts replies to tell us this isn't a double!
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:02

yep hit it. Massive defense here.

♣KQ wasted on offense (partner is probably void, and certainly no more than stiff) and no shortness here to suggest playing 5♠.
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:03

I can't believe you found a hand on this auction where the vulnerability doesn't matter!
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:07

Double because Phil was the OP. Otherwise, it would have been posted by someone who will explain to us all --in detail ---why 5C is obviously making and we are cold for 6S.
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:15

aguahombre, on Mar 31 2010, 11:07 AM, said:

Double because Phil was the OP. Otherwise, it would be have been posted by someone who will explain to us all --in detail ---why 5C is obviously making and we are cold for 6S.

heh, it does smell like another forum trap.

Besides, is partner absolutely obligated to pass my double? Couldn't he pull to 5♠ with an extreme hand?
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:17

I began a post arguing that doubling was clear, but the more I thought about it, the less clear it became.

We can infer quite a bit.....partner probably has 4 hearts (no heart bid by either opp) and a void club. So...he will probably be 6430 or 7420...with the latter, we'd need to know his tendencies re an immediate 4♠ call.

Given this, we will usually have play for 5♠. As little as Kxxxxx xxxx Kxx void makes if they lead clubs or the club ruffing hook works, and spades are 2-1.

Red v white, I think I'd take the push....but otherwise I'd take the sure plus (well...almost sure :P )
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:34

I mustered a double on this one.

It's amusing to be criticised for getting the last one right.

I don't see an argument for bidding 5♠ unilaterally. Partner knows whether he was pushing them or not, I don't.

For all I know pass is the only way to score, but with good trumps and that useful non-spade Ace, I'll live with the small risk.

As an aside, I like it when dburn or similar players explain their choices. Some posts can be so laconic the poster might as well have voted in the poll and left it at that.
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:36

I don't think you can infer lack of heart length with the 3♣ bidder. If weak they even bid it on 5-5 sometimes, which (maybe with a spade void?) could also justify the later bid.
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:39

jdonn, on Mar 31 2010, 11:36 AM, said:

I don't think you can infer lack of heart length with the 3♣ bidder. If weak they even bid it on 5-5 sometimes, which (maybe with a spade void?) could also justify the later bid.

Are you assuming 3♣ means something specific?
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:43

Phil, on Mar 31 2010, 11:39 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 31 2010, 11:36 AM, said:

I don't think you can infer lack of heart length with the 3♣ bidder. If weak they even bid it on 5-5 sometimes, which (maybe with a spade void?) could also justify the later bid.

Are you assuming 3♣ means something specific?

Preemptive with club support??
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:44

3C could mean SUPER DUPER STRONG SLAM TRY, and we could be w/r, and I would still double...
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Posted 2010-March-31, 10:55

jdonn, on Mar 31 2010, 11:43 AM, said:

Phil, on Mar 31 2010, 11:39 AM, said:

jdonn, on Mar 31 2010, 11:36 AM, said:

I don't think you can infer lack of heart length with the 3♣ bidder. If weak they even bid it on 5-5 sometimes, which (maybe with a spade void?) could also justify the later bid.

Are you assuming 3♣ means something specific?

Preemptive with club support??

Well, this is the crux of the problem.

If I told you 3♣ was limit, are you still cracking?

(I see Jlall has already answered this).
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Posted 2010-March-31, 11:05

I agree with him, double if told 3♣ is grand slam force.
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Posted 2010-March-31, 11:50

Pict, on Mar 31 2010, 06:34 PM, said:

It's amusing to be criticised for getting the last one right.

Getting it right???
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Posted 2010-March-31, 11:55

OleBerg, on Mar 31 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

Pict, on Mar 31 2010, 06:34 PM, said:

It's amusing to be criticised for getting the last one right.

Getting it right???

You believe in a higher bridge reality where scoring less well is optimal?
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Posted 2010-March-31, 12:02

Pict, on Mar 31 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Mar 31 2010, 12:50 PM, said:

Pict, on Mar 31 2010, 06:34 PM, said:

It's amusing to be criticised for getting the last one right.

Getting it right???

You believe in a higher bridge reality where scoring less well is optimal?

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Posted 2010-March-31, 12:07

It looks like the OP wants to know if there are logical alternatives to Double.
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