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ATB 2/1

Poll: ATB (51 member(s) have cast votes)

ATB

  1. East 100% (2 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  2. West 100% (26 votes [50.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.98%

  3. East 70% (2 votes [3.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.92%

  4. West 70% (13 votes [25.49%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.49%

  5. 50/50 (8 votes [15.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.69%

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#21 User is offline   rogerclee 

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Posted 2010-April-28, 12:58

lol edit!
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Posted 2010-April-28, 13:01

jdonn, on Apr 28 2010, 05:58 PM, said:

Just to make this constructive, do people think 5♣ shouldn't even exist or what should it mean?

I would say more clubs and no spade ace.
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Posted 2010-April-29, 04:55

jdonn, on Apr 28 2010, 12:58 PM, said:

Just to make this constructive, do people think 5♣ shouldn't even exist or what should it mean?

The bid should not even exist, unless you have attached a very
precise meaning to the bid. (*)
The reason being, East is still unlimited, so West should give East
the chance to make a move toward slam, without commiting the
partnership to slam.

(*) And if you do this, the bid will extreme rare.

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Posted 2010-April-29, 07:50

I voted 50/50. I don't like 5♣. But I don't like east's failure to splinter or pass of 5♣ either. East has the freakin' nuts for this auction. Massive controls and 4 card fit..
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Posted 2010-May-01, 04:00

I wouldn't want to splinter with East's hand because my 2♣ can be as short as 2, or 3 if you prefer it.
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Posted 2010-May-01, 04:24

andy_h, on May 1 2010, 05:00 AM, said:

I wouldn't want to splinter with East's hand because my 2♣ can be as short as 2, or 3 if you prefer it.

for you to have a problem you would have 3 or less ♠, 2 or less ♥ and 3 or less ♣ .....hmmm that leaves 5 or more ♦ now why were you bidding ♣?
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Posted 2010-May-01, 09:51

Pool: there you go making assumptions again. Why are you assuming the hand has 13 cards?
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Posted 2010-May-01, 10:24

aguahombre, on May 1 2010, 10:51 AM, said:

Pool: there you go making assumptions again. Why are you assuming the hand has 13 cards?

yeah it's tough after I get to 10 as I run out of hands and don't feel like taking my shoes off
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Posted 2010-May-01, 12:25

on another thread, I explained how I count up to 20 1/2
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Posted 2010-May-01, 12:41

So, after 41 people have voted, the poll shows that West gets over 75% of the blame. Do we want OP to think that is actually the final answer, or do we now think that East should have been able to visualize 12 tricks opposite a minimum 2/1 response and sign-off by partner?
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Posted 2010-May-01, 13:36

I believe the poll does not really reflect a proper blame assessment because West should probably not have had the opportunity to make the bid that everyone hates. And the fact that East failed to visualize is obscured by the focus on 5C.

If the poll were to choose the worst call, then......
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Posted 2010-May-01, 14:55

100 % west for missing 7, 100 % east for missing 6.

5C is a normal bid to me with xx xx xx AKQJxxx
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Posted 2010-May-02, 15:00

pooltuna, on May 1 2010, 09:24 PM, said:

andy_h, on May 1 2010, 05:00 AM, said:

I wouldn't want to splinter with East's hand because my 2♣ can be as short as 2, or 3 if you prefer it.

for you to have a problem you would have 3 or less ♠, 2 or less ♥ and 3 or less ♣ .....hmmm that leaves 5 or more ♦ now why were you bidding ♣?

3244, 33(43), 4333, 4243, 4144, 4342 are typical hands. If you don't like it with 4♦'s, assume they are ♦Jxxx or worse.
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