[mikeh]

whereagles, on May 4 2010, 06:12 PM, said:

I really, really dislike this yankee tendency to jump shift into 3 card suits lol.

I've been solving (with considerable sucess) the problem of max 1-suited hands by opening a 18-20 2NT and reserve the 1x-1y-2NT rebid for the 1-suiter. That would be by bid with this particular hand.

Even most americans would not recognize themselves as 'yankee'....you've watched far too many bad movies. And NO canadian would accept that description.

Moreover, absent specialized methods, I very much doubt that this style is uniquely north american.

[jdonn]

I don't think anyone considers themself a yankee, it's just something people from the south call people from the north.

Does anyone who has actually tried this style dislike it, by chance? I mean it needn't be the case but it would make for a better refutation. I have never tried a 3 point 2NT opening range including 18 counts but I know I would dislike that! But on the other hand I always thought I disliked brocolli until I tried it.

[mike777]

jillybean, on May 2 2010, 06:35 PM, said:

Playing 2/1

Scoring: MP

1♥:1N*

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What is your bid now?
Does anyone not open 1♥?

I still dont think opening 2c is terrible....


prefer 3c rather than 4h if we open 1.

good discussion on the 3c vs 4h issues......
this is the kind of thing this forum is really helpful with. thanks.

[the hog]

"Even most americans would not recognize themselves as 'yankee'....you've watched far too many bad movies"

Or good movies. Jimmy Cagney's "Yankee Doodle Dandy" is an absolute classic.

[ONEferBRID]

Are we ready yet, for Responder's hand ?

[Antoine Fourrière]

A quick and dirty simulation (dealer -s0 on ubuntu) with the following file
predeal
east SAJ, HKT86542, DA, CAK4
condition
hearts(west)<=3 && spades(west)<=3 && hcp(west) <= 12 - 6*shape(west, x3xx) && hcp(west)>=4
produce
20
action
print(west)
gives
      1.                                    2.                                    3.                                    4.                              
Q  T  2                              Q  9  2                              T  7  2                              Q  3  
Q  3                                  J  3                                  -                                      9  3  
9  8  7  5  3                      J  6  5  4                          Q  J  T  7  4                      Q  9  8  5  4  2  
T  7  3                              Q  J  7  5                          J  T  9  7  6                      Q  J  3  

      5.                                    6.                                    7.                                    8.                              
7  6  4                              7  6  5                              K  4                                  8  5  
9  3                                  Q  J                                  A  3                                  Q  7  
K  9  8  7  4                      K  T  6  3  2                      K  6  3  2                          Q  T  7  5  4  
J  5  3                              J  6  2                              J  7  5  3  2                      T  9  7  5  

      9.                                  10.                                  11.                                  12.                              
K  T  4                              8  7  3                              T  3                                  4  
7  3                                  A  3                                  Q  9  7               

[Antoine Fourrière]

I meant:

A quick and dirty simulation (dealer -s0 on ubuntu) with the following file

predeal
east SAJ, HKT86542, DA, CAK4
condition
hearts(west)<=3 && spades(west)<=3 && hcp(west) <= 12 - 6*shape(west, x3xx) && hcp(west)>=4
produce
20
action
print(west)

gives

1. QT2 Q3 98753 T73
2. Q92 J3 J654 QJ75
3. T72 - QJT74 JT976
4. Q3 93 Q98542 QJ3
5. 764 93 K9874 J53
6. 765 QJ KT632 J62
7. K4 A3 K632 J7532
8. 85 Q7 QT754 T975
9. KT4 73 QT86 T987
10. 873 A3 QJ9853 Q2
11. T3 Q97 K843 JT83
12. 4 73 KQ9532 J986
13. 865 A KJ72 Q9875
14. 862 J Q72 QT7632
15. Q92 3 K732 QT875
16. K84 3 QT9764 QJ7
17. K3 A7 T53 JT9752
18. Q85 Q3 K85432 75
19. 5 A3 QJ972 Q7532
20. K6 A3 T7643 QJ75

So, I guess there are enough patterns which make 3♣ worth bothering with. It surely helps that responder shouldn't have four spades (and therefore no 4144).
(5♣ - and 6♣ by opener - with hands 3, 14 (hmm) and 15, 4♥ with hand 11, 4♣ with hand 13, 3♦ with hand 16, 3♥ showing exactly two cards with all the other hands?)

[bid_em_up]

jdonn, on May 4 2010, 07:47 PM, said:

I don't think anyone considers themself a yankee, it's just something people from the south call people from the north.

Correction. People from the South call 'em "damnyankees".

An old joke goes something along the lines of "I was 12 years old before I knew that "damn yankee" was two words."

[jillybean]

ONEferBRID, on May 5 2010, 04:15 AM, said:

Are we ready yet, for Responder's hand ?

Q,QJ9,K98632, Q63

[gwnn]

urbandictionary.com definition said:

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast

[aguahombre]

So, on the given hand, 3C allows responder to bid 3H, and we stop in 6, off a bullet. A 4H rebid would have put a heavy burden on responder, which probably could not be overcome.

Maybe that is just serendipity, but I don't mind when my choices have lucky consequences which my feeble mind could not imagine at the time.

[junyi_zhu]

aguahombre, on May 5 2010, 03:53 PM, said:

So, on the given hand, 3C allows responder to bid 3H, and we stop in 6, off a bullet. A 4H rebid would have put a heavy burden on responder, which probably could not be overcome.

Maybe that is just serendipity, but I don't mind when my choices have lucky consequences which my feeble mind could not imagine at the time.

this is a simple 2H bid. If one can't try for slams when partner shows a gf one suiter, he shouldn't try to invite the game and should just bid 2M.

[ONEferBRID]

I agree with Aquaman.
For the hand shown [ Q, QJ9, K98632, Q63 ] ,
after 1H open, whether Responder bids 2H or 1NT! planning to make a limit raise if Opener delivers a minimum rebid, slam should be reached.
[ I think Responder's hand is closer to a 3 card limit raise than a 2H mixed raise ].

But if Opener rebids 4H after 1NT!:
1H - 1NT!
4H , then Responder probably won't consider his hand worth a continuation.

[whereagles]

mikeh, on May 4 2010, 11:42 PM, said:

you've watched far too many bad movies.

Speak for yourself, lol.

Meanwhile, apologies to those who consider themselves non-yankee north americans

[ONEferBRID]

Antoine Fourrière:
After:
1H - 1NT!
3C! - ??
In practically all of your examples which show a doubleton Ht, I'd have Responder make a min rebid of 3H ( could be as little as 2 card support ) ... and stop in 4H.

However, with hands # 17 and # 20, with ostensibly a 4+ Cl fit, I'd get to 6H via my "support showing" RKC Response:

AJ    KT86542    A    AK4

K6   A3   T7643   QJ75 ( # 20 )

1H - 1NT!
3C! - 4C! ( RKC showing 4+c, 1 key card, obviously hA but A-x at most )*
4D! ( cQ-ask ) - 4S! ( cQ and sK )
6H
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

*For a different hand, an indirect 4C bid by Responder can be made using a 3D! relay ( to 3H!) first.