[jillybean]

1♣ (X) P (P)
1N (P) 2♦

2♦ natural or systems on?

[bluecalm]

Interesting. I wouldn't be sure but my guess is that my semi reg p would take it as transfer (in both precision or polish c but meaning of this sequence is basically the same there).

It seems like very rare sequence because in sayc 2/1 responder should strive to bid 5+card suit at any excuse after 1♣ dbl imo but for sure hands like:

xxx
Q9xxx
xx
xxx

aren't 1♥ in standard book (I think).

[Phil]

This is a very weird sequence - 1m - x - p - p; 1N and I wouldn't want to spend much time on follow-ups. Frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen it at the table. The 1♣ opener gets penalty passed and wants to run to 1N? Usually the 1♣ bidder sits or redoubles / bids for rescue.

Perhaps you meant something like 1♣ - (1♥) - p - (p); - 1N or 1♣ - (p) - p - (1♥); - 1N.

This is a more common sequence, and I can see using 'system on', but would not consider it standard at all.

[jillybean]

Phil, the auction is correct. I held a balanced 18-19 hand with 3 clubs.

[1eyedjack]

Without discussion I would have interpreted it as natural and to play

[mike777]

jillybean, on Aug 29 2010, 11:34 PM, said:

1♣ (X) P (P)
1N (P) 2♦

2♦ natural or systems on?

of course natural d......with no discussion.....


i think nat with discussion

[jdonn]

I think even 1♣ 1♥ p p 1NT p 2♥ should be natural.

[Phil]

jillybean, on Aug 30 2010, 12:48 AM, said:

Phil, the auction is correct. I held a balanced 18-19 hand with 3 clubs.

Kathryn I'm not sure why you aren't xxing for rescue then with his hand type. Surely there's a better spot than 1N if pard has length in a non-club suit. The chances of finding game (which is one of the main reasons for a 1N rebid by opener) are about zip, so safety seems paramount to settling in a high scoring partial.

[P_Marlowe]

Natural.

Ask your self, if you have 5 clubs, what do you want to bid?

With kind regards
Marlowe

[peachy]

Natural. I understand 1NT rebid as "oversize 1NT" 18-19 balanced. Opener could have bid a major or redoubled with other types of hands.

[JLOGIC]

Diamonds to play, but it seems like even with 18-19 bal and 3 clubs youre supposed to redouble, 1N is not really a safe bid at all

[jillybean]

Ok, thanks

[Codo]

Get used to use XX as run away in some good described sequences- like this one.

Anyway, in a similar situation I would treat 2 ♦ as diamonds.

[hanp]

Definitely diamonds, but agree the auction shouldn't really occur. But 1C - p - p - Dbl - 1NT - p - 2D is natural.

[bucky]

Phil, on Aug 30 2010, 12:31 AM, said:

This is a very weird sequence - 1m - x - p - p; 1N and I wouldn't want to spend much time on follow-ups. Frankly, I'm not sure I've ever seen it at the table. The 1♣ opener gets penalty passed and wants to run to 1N? Usually the 1♣ bidder sits or redoubles / bids for rescue.

Perhaps you meant something like 1♣ - (1♥) - p - (p); - 1N or 1♣ - (p) - p - (1♥); - 1N.

This is a more common sequence, and I can see using 'system on', but would not consider it standard at all.

I think over 1m (1M) P (P) 1NT, it is better to play partner's response as natural. The reason is that you want partner to be able to take you back to 2m, knowing that you have 3+ in the suit.

[bucky]

jillybean, on Aug 30 2010, 12:48 AM, said:

Phil, the auction is correct. I held a balanced 18-19 hand with 3 clubs.

Partner is probably very weak, 1NT may not play very well (doubled). Even with 18-19, you will want to get out in a 1-level suit, which is much harder for the opps to double. The way to do this is by XX.