[kgr]

Scoring: MP

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kind of Standard American; 5542
1♣-(1♠)-DBL-(2♠)
3NT
 
How should the bidding go?
Is 3♦ iso 3NT clearly forcing?

[JLOGIC]

South should bid 2D, he has 7 of them!

North should bid 3D, he doesnt have a strong hand with long clubs, he has a minor 2 suiter with a heart void!

South should bid over 3N I think.

[kgr]

JLOGIC, on Sep 8 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

South should bid 2D, he has 7 of them!

Is it very wrong to DBL iso bidding 2♦ and bid ♦'s later (...ok, I didn't)? We play Walsh, but that probably doesn't matter here.

JLOGIC, on Sep 8 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

North should bid 3D, he doesnt have a strong hand with long clubs, he has a minor 2 suiter with a heart void!

Is 3NT showing long clubs? What should North bid with a balanced 19 pts?

JLOGIC, on Sep 8 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

South should bid over 3N I think.

Probably more clear at IMP's? I was South and thought that 4♦ could give extra info to opps in the defense. After 3NT by North I also thought that he had too many pts in ♠.

[JLOGIC]

Yes, and 2N. Bidding your 7 card suit is very important when they bid your void.

[Free]

Agree with J-Lo here on all points.

[pooltuna]

Q1) I have no problem with south's -X although it is wierd but certainly would work out if pard's hand was♠KQJx ♥KQJx v ♣AKxxx.

Q2) With the actual hand north should bid 3♦ which must be forcing as partner could -X to play ♣

[jdonn]

They played a grand slam in game even if north's KQJx of spades was xxxx. I think that's enough reasoning to say both were at fault.

[cherdanno]

It's hard to find 11-card fits in a minor over a 1S preempt! (If that stops you from bidding your 7-card suit.)

[gszeszycki]

Dealer: North
Vul: ????
Scoring: MP
♠ KQJx
♥
♦ KQJx
♣ AKxxx

♠
♥ Axxx
♦ ATxxxxx
♣ xx



kind of Standard American; 5542
1♣-(1♠)-DBL-(2♠)
3NT
the neg x is not a bad start the real problem is that south never appreciates how strong N has to be to bid 3n. S does not promise much with the neg X and has a whole kit and kaboodle of potential. How about expressing slam interest now with

4d

The neg x may have been necessary to discover a 44 heart fit but now it will perform an extra service because we have limited the power of our hand by not bidding 2d N will become aware of how distributional we must be to be interested in slam (not to mention slam interest with a suit missing the KQJ). While it is difficult to reach a grand here N should not have too many problems arriving in 6d.
In fact it would hardly be horrid for N to just bid 6d outright though that would eliminate any chance to find 7 in a practiced partnership (some would say that makes it horrid).

a plausible bidding sequence after 4d

4h cue bid aggreeing to slam search
4s cue bid
5c cue bid
5d cant keep due bidding with lousy trumps suit
5h shows 1st round control
5s shows 1st round control
7d (surely S did not start a slam search with 7 dia to the J) 7d should be at worst 5050 if S is 0463 (ruffing finesse against the spade A.)

[bucky]

kgr, on Sep 8 2010, 02:33 AM, said:

Is 3NT showing long clubs? What should North bid with a balanced 19 pts?

2NT by North should show 18-19, balanced or semi-balanced. (yes, with only 13-14 and spade stopper you PASS!)