[jillybean]

We had a whopping 63.5% game and first overall at the club today. Lots of interesting boards, including these 2

Board9

Scoring: MP

uncontested auction
1♠:2♣*
2♠*: ?

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2♣ g/f but could be as short as 2
2♠ 5+ 11-15

Your bid, within the constraints above.


Board 15

Scoring: MP

uncontested auction
1♠:2♣*
2♠*: ?

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[Cascade]

#9 2NT looks suitably boring and descriptive and economical - I can't think of a single negative.

#15 I would double showing some extras and some tolerance for the other suits - maybe others have some other meaning for double.

Possibly I am a little light for double but I do have extra strength and extra distribution and at least a partial fit for partner - all of which encourage me.

[BudH]

jillybean, on Sep 3 2010, 07:40 PM, said:

We had a whopping 63.5% game and first overall at the club today. Lots of interesting boards, including these 2

Board9

Scoring: MP

uncontested auction
1♠:2♣*
2♠*: ?

---

2♣ g/f but could be as short as 2
2♠ 5+ 11-15

Your bid, within the constraints above.


Board 15

Scoring: MP

uncontested auction
1♠:2♣*
2♠*: ?

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Assuming double is penalty oriented, I bid 3♠ on your board 15.

[aguahombre]

Cascade, on Sep 3 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

#9 2NT looks suitably boring and descriptive and economical - I can't think of a single negative.

Agree, within the context. But I don't understand the context. With 2D, 2H, and 2NT all available, why should 2S not show 6 of them?

This is a rhetorical question, really. I understand people like complex auctions, hate to raise responder's suit, and love to bid 2-card suits.

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on Sep 3 2010, 08:53 PM, said:

Agree, within the context.  But I don't understand the context.   With 2D, 2H, and 2NT all available, why should 2S not show 6 of them? 

This is a rhetorical question, really.   I understand people like complex auctions, hate to raise responder's suit, and love to bid 2-card suits.

AKxxx,xxx,Kxx,Qx

1♠:2♣ ?

[karlson]

A jump to 3n in these auctions typically shows 15-17 balanced, so that's perfect for hand 1.

Double (takeout) seems normal enough on hand 2. If double isn't takeout, then it's an unfamiliar situation to me but I guess I'd bid 3s.

Edit -- hm, just noticed 1s (or maybe just 2s?) was limited. Not sure if it's standard among strong club players to still play 3n as 15-17, but it seems like a reasonable treatement to me.

[mgoetze]

jillybean, on Sep 4 2010, 01:40 AM, said:

2♣ g/f but could be as short as 2
2♠ 5+ 11-15

Your bid, within the constraints above.

So apparently I could have either a balanced GF or a GF with a real club suit. Well, I happen to know which one it is and I'm letting my partner in on the secret by bidding 2NT!

[paulg]

karlson, on Sep 4 2010, 08:19 AM, said:

A jump to 3n in these auctions typically shows 15-17 balanced, so that's perfect for hand 1.

Edit -- hm, just noticed 1s (or maybe just 2s?) was limited. Not sure if it's standard among strong club players to still play 3n as 15-17, but it seems like a reasonable treatement to me.

Although I agree on the meaning of 3NT, I prefer 2NT here as there is some doubt over the best contract.

Is partner supposed to pull 3NT with a six-card suit and a singleton? With just a six-card suit and and small doubleton diamond? Would we ever bid 3NT with 1444?

A slower approach may help and is unlikely to cost as we are not really looking at slam.

[bluecalm]

In first one there is always a problem which one of the following :

1)
1M - 2c
2M - 3NT

2)
1M - 2c
2M - 2NT
3x - 3NT

asks partner to not convert even if he has 6.
I usually play that 1) means partner should not convert but i have idea which is better.
Assuming my agreements I bid 2NT to find out about 6♠.

[bluecalm]

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Agree, within the context. But I don't understand the context. With 2D, 2H, and 2NT all available, why should 2S not show 6 of them?

This is a rhetorical question, really. I understand people like complex auctions, hate to raise responder's suit, and love to bid 2-card suits.

This is actually the most standard and natural way to play in many places.
If you could often hold 5-3-3-2 and 15-17 in this auction (not everybody opens 1NT automatically) then you need to have some way to show minimum hand/hand with extras. Having this in mind 2NT shows 15+ ane 2♠ is kinda catchall bid.

[aguahombre]

If 5-3-3-2 hands with 15-17 are out of the mix, there are several 2/1 auctions which can be handled more effeciently.

[jillybean]

Board9
If you bid 2N, partner bids 3♠ showing 6

Board15
If you X (values) partner bids 3N

[mgoetze]

jillybean, on Sep 4 2010, 03:30 PM, said:

Board9
If you bid 2N, partner bids 3♠ showing 6

Board15
If you X (values) partner bids 3N

9. 3NT could be right sometimes, but I can't really find out. I don't think the field can, either, so I'll follow them into 4♠.

15. Can't see why I should consider any bid other than pass now.

[jillybean]

Board9

Scoring: MP

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6♠ seems hard to find.

Board15

Scoring: MP

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1♣ (P) 1♠ (3♦); X got us to 3N here

[mgoetze]

jillybean, on Sep 5 2010, 05:05 AM, said:

Board9

Scoring: MP

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6♠ seems hard to find.

Obviously opener doesn't have 11-15, he has 15.85.

[Phil]

2N is obvious on the first.

On the 2nd, I kind of like 3♠. Partner will have a five card suit a lot of the time. I'm kind of surprised your partner didn't convert for penalties with AK8xx.

[hanp]

Cascade, on Sep 3 2010, 10:02 PM, said:

#9 2NT looks suitably boring and descriptive and economical - I can't think of a single negative.

#15 I would double showing some extras and some tolerance for the other suits - maybe others have some other meaning for double.

Agree twice with Cascade.

This is the second offensive post by you today Jilly. First the ****, now the religious title.

[jillybean]

hanp, on Sep 6 2010, 09:09 AM, said:

This is the second offensive post by you today Jilly. First the ****, now the religious title.

Bite me

[jdonn]

Lol did I miss something?!

[hanp]

Nah, just messing around.