[Echognome]

655321, on Sep 23 2010, 04:29 PM, said:

You can't cross in trumps if you are using both the little spades to ruff clubs.

Sorry. True. But you can cross in clubs for one ruff and cross in diamonds for the 2nd.

[655321]

Well, sure, and I think the hand does make, but I was trying to say that it is more complicated than drawing 2 rounds of trumps (which you can't do) then run winners.

Something like
Club lead to Ace
Club ruff
Diamond to King
Club ruff
Spade Ace
Diamond Ace
Diamond Queen (ruffed, and we have only drawn 1 round of trumps so far)
Club exit, ruffed in dummy
Spade King
Heart Queen, covered
4th round of diamond pitching the low heart and there is just one trump to lose.

[jdonn]

kenrexford, on Sep 22 2010, 05:38 PM, said:

1♦-1♠
2♠-2NT(asking)
3♥(maximum 3451)-4♠

That seems easy, with my methods:

2NT asks. Opener bids:

3♣ = minimum with three spades and either 3451 or 3514. 3♦ would then ask for specifics (bid 3♥ with hearts = 3451; don't bid hearts but bid 3♠ without hearts = 3154)
3♥ = natural = 3451 maximum
3♦ = maximum without hearts = 3154 maximum
3♠ = minimum but four piece
3NT+ = various maximum 4-piece options

I think it's important to be able to stop in 3 of opener's minor when he is min with 3.

[MickyB]

I play 2NT as GF enquiry and 1D:1S, 2S:3D as INV.

[whereagles]

why complicate what's simple?

leave the moysians for occasions where you really need them.

[Echognome]

whereagles, on Sep 24 2010, 02:49 AM, said:

why complicate what's simple?

leave the moysians for occasions where you really need them.

Because it's MPs not IMPs.

[kenrexford]

jdonn, on Sep 23 2010, 06:52 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 22 2010, 05:38 PM, said:

1♦-1♠
2♠-2NT(asking)
3♥(maximum 3451)-4♠

That seems easy, with my methods:

2NT asks.  Opener bids:

3♣ = minimum with three spades and either 3451 or 3514.  3♦ would then ask for specifics (bid 3♥ with hearts = 3451; don't bid hearts but bid 3♠ without hearts = 3154)
3♥ = natural = 3451 maximum
3♦ = maximum without hearts = 3154 maximum
3♠ = minimum but four piece
3NT+ = various maximum 4-piece options

I think it's important to be able to stop in 3 of opener's minor when he is min with 3.

This was a concession to partner. His view was that the necessity of knowing which stiff is held below three of the major as a game-determining bit of information is worth the cost of playing in the Moysian on those occasions where three of Opener's minor might be better.

I remain undecided. The convincing part of the argument in the real world, however, is that this rare occasion might still not actually gain anything, in that most of the field will be in three of the major anyway.

[nige1]

Echognome, on Sep 22 2010, 02:35 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

1♦ - 1♠;
2♠ - 3NT;
All Pass
Lead: ♣6
Result: +460 (didn't get the best defense...)
MP: 9 out of 11
Note that spades is where I'd want to be both single dummy and double dummy.

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Double dummy, 6♠ is best.
Win ♣A. Advance ♥Q...

• If ducked then duck a ♠. You make 3♠ + 3♥ + 5♦ + 1♣.
  
• If covered then win ♥A and duck a ♠. Now, the ♥J provides an entry to ruff a ♣;
  and the ♦K an entry to draw trumps. You have 4♠ + 2♥ + 5♦ + 1♣.