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#1 User is offline   karlson 

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Posted 2010-September-24, 04:49

1. Q9xxxx Qxx x Qxx

r/r mp, you deal.
p-2*-3-4-?

2 was multi, weak in one major or some strong options. Your discussion of your multi defense consisted of about 30 seconds of explanation from partner: "2h takeout of spades, 2s takeout of hearts, double 13-15 bal or some strong hand".

2. Qxx Qxx Qxx AKxx

w/r mp, you deal.
1-p-2-2
3-p-5-5
p-p-x-p

1 was 2+, unbalanced diamond style with 15-17NT. 2 was a weak jump shift.
Perhaps you don't bid 3, but it seems to have worked quite well. If you sit for the double, what do you lead?
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Posted 2010-September-24, 04:56

1. The first situation is not so unusual, ir is pretty much the same as 2H - 3S - 4H. I would bid 5S, showing a slam try in spades without heart control.

2. Of course I pass and lead the club king.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 05:38

1 I have just one second hand control, but partner must hold a monster, so 5 spade is wtp. If you play that 3 sets trump, you can try 5 Daimond, but I would not try this w/o discussion.

2. I sit very happily and lead a high club. I would ask for the count in clubs with the King.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 06:31

hanp, on Sep 24 2010, 05:56 AM, said:

1. The first situation is not so unusual, ir is pretty much the same as 2H - 3S - 4H. I would bid 5S, showing a slam try in spades without heart control.

Well, partner didn't have a natural 2S available (why did I agree to this in a 30 second discussion?). That seems a fairly big difference to me.
(It's also not so usual for me to have 6-card support for partner's strongly bid suit. But then I don't play many hands these days.)

I still agree with 5S, though.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 08:31

Hand 1: 5S is too much, partner could have doubled first then gone nuts in spades which is a better hand.

3S to me is a strong jump overcall ish, 6 spades, maybe 18 points. 4S is enough.

Hand 2: Top club
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Posted 2010-September-24, 09:22

I just bid 4 on the first. For one thing partner can bid slam with his heart control and we could be off 2 aces. For another even if slam is there, which I don't think is so likely, it could depend on a distinction between the minors that we can't work out. Meaning does he have A AK (yay) or AK A (uh oh)?
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Posted 2010-September-24, 09:46

I agree, I think 5S is too much.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 09:58

Yeah if you put pard on AKJxxx...there's room for about two more big cards. A heart void is not a certainty - RHO could be bidding on 3 hearts and spade shortness.

4 is correct I think.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 10:22

I did not realisze 3 was the weakest spade bid avaiable. :(

So I would be even more happy now, because now I have a clear cut 4 Spade bid.
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Posted 2010-September-24, 10:26

I assumed that 3S was a 3S bid by the way, and I still think 4S is enough.
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Posted 2010-September-25, 09:12

1. I meant it was unusual in the sense that we have a 12 or 13 card fit. I bid 5 at the table, and also thought maybe it was too much afterwards. Partner had something like AKJTxx Ax Kxx Ax, though I don't remember his exact hand. He bid 6 and drifted down 2.

2. I was partner. I was hoping double would be read as lightner (I think this is pretty normal meaning for double by preemptor, and it's unclear what else partner can double on here), but it sounds like I don't have much support. The opponents had 10 spades and the first club was ruffed, so we were -850.
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Posted 2010-September-27, 07:19

This defence is called Dixon (standard in UK) and 3S should show ~12-16 hcp. 5S is way too much. The hand shown is not a 3S overcall in this method.
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Posted 2010-September-27, 07:46

karlson, on Sep 24 2010, 05:49 AM, said:

  • r/r mp, you deal. Q9xxxx Qxx x Qxx
    p-2*-3-4-?
    2 was multi, weak in one major or some strong options. Your discussion of your multi defense consisted of about 30 seconds of explanation from partner: "2h takeout of spades, 2s takeout of hearts, double 13-15 bal or some strong hand".
  • w/r mp, you deal.  Qxx Qxx Qxx AKxx
    1-p-2-2
    3-p-5-5
    p-p-x-p
    1 was 2+, unbalanced diamond style with 15-17NT. 2 was a weak jump shift.  Perhaps you don't bid 3, but it seems to have worked quite well. If you sit for the double, what do you lead?
I don't like this defence. When the EBU decided to approve the Multi, at the last minute, they asked Chis Dixon to concoct a defence to go with it. IMO...
  • 4 = 10, 6 = 7, 5 = 6, 4N = 5, 5 = 1.
  • 3 = 10. Pass of 5X = 10. K =10.

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