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#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2011-January-07, 15:46



1* = 0-7 any

IMPS

LEAD = 4, small from dummy and T from South, u win in hand with Q. Now what ?
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Posted 2011-January-07, 16:37

I want to know if I need to
force entry to dummy with H98 v HQ.
Out a diamond. See what we see.
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Posted 2011-January-07, 17:01

agree with dake, diamond now to gather info
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Posted 2011-January-07, 17:24

If u play to dummy, North plays low, South takes 9 with T, cashes A and plays another [. I hope that helps :)
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Posted 2011-January-07, 18:18

Not really close is it?
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Might be tougher without the J. Of course, I might be missing something.

This ignores the opening bid. I may change my mind :)
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Posted 2011-January-07, 19:58

What we know from the opening bid and the play to trick one gives Phil's line an even bigger edge, I think. RHO apparently has five clubs rather than three or four. That makes it less likely that RHO has Qxx Qxx in the majors.

Finding out that opener has three diamonds provides more confirmation, if that is needed.
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Posted 2011-January-07, 20:51

View PostMrAce, on 2011-January-07, 15:46, said:

1* = 0-7 any IMPS LEAD = 4, small from dummy and T from South, u win in hand with Q. Now what ?

View PostPhil, on 2011-January-07, 18:18, said:

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Pivot strip squeeze, based on the original deal.
are trumps.
South to make eleven tricks on a lead
(or any non- lead).
On a lead, You can swap dummy's Q with RHO's T and the squeeze still works. Hugh Kelsey categorised seemingly inaccessible threats like Q as being on the moon.
The T is an example of what I call a pivot: If you swap it for a lower card, then ten tricks are the limit.
If you have a trump loser, a similar squeeze may still succeed if defenders attempt to cash winners in the wrong order.

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Posted 2011-January-08, 11:29

Re Phil's analysis the postscript about considering the opening bid seems relevant. 60% for the combined chance of dropping a major suit queen seems about right, but the probability of winning a Q finesse through the opening bidder is similar and there are additional indications from trick 1: leading 4 from 9x(x)4 may counterindicate outside honors; RHO ducking trick one is less likely with both AK and hence suggests Q more strongly.

But rather than the technical chance via cashing aces and kings I like Nigel's play: Collect 52% equity by cashing top trumps, then instead of simply spade drop try for an endplay via (1) Q with RHO, (2) defenders fail to cash RHO's top(s), (3) we read the distribution.

But what is the finesse line really worth? If you would choose it, surely exploring in per dake is nearly cost-free.

View PostMrAce, on 2011-January-07, 17:24, said:

If u play to dummy, North plays low, South takes 9 with T, cashes A and plays another . I hope that helps :)
It helps a lot -- the very weak indication from trick 1 play that RHO hasn't got AK, A has turned into a strong appearance that RHO had A10x. (Are these birds clever enough to defend this way when RHO holds AK10x AJ108x rather than trying the A instead of the small ? By the way why not A in any case? What does RHO know from the opening lead?) Therefore the opening bid seems to place the Q onside.

Of course it was a little lucky to get such telling information from the diamond suit. There are imponderables but it's maybe a 1/3 chance that LHO has a diamond top and a 1/4 chance that we learn about it. Assuming you take 60% via cashing tricks when the plays aren't informative and nearly 100% by finesse the 1/4 of the time like the actual hand, the net is 60%(3/4) + 1/4 = 85%. If you believe that estimate it's hard to beat.
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Posted 2011-January-08, 11:51

View Postceeb, on 2011-January-08, 11:29, said:

(Are these birds clever enough to defend this way when RHO holds AK10x AJ108x rather than trying the A instead of the small ?



Ummm, i dunno if they are that good or not, but LHO is Lorenzo Lauria and RHO was Afredo Versace who replaced JEC. :)
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