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3 Hearts asking or telling? ACBL

Poll: 3 Hearts asking or telling? (35 member(s) have cast votes)

3 Hearts asking or telling?

  1. I have Hearts (33 votes [94.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.29%

  2. Do you have Hearts stopped for 3NT (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

  3. Other (1 votes [2.86%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.86%

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Posted 2011-April-03, 05:02

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My Meta-rule: if a bid can be natural, it is. This interpretation is part of BWS2001.

But again, it is the kind of bid that you should have discussed with partner, and without agreement, it is natural.


Partner won't have four hearts, or he would have responded 2♥ not 3♣.

Anyway, I have an agreement suggestion that covers all possible situations:

If there are two suits to be worried about, we SHOW.
If there are three suits we are worried about, we ASK.

This is because, if there are three suits and we show, partner doesn't know which one of the other suits he needs to have to bid 3NT. So asking is best.
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Posted 2011-April-03, 21:22

View Postdickiegera, on 2011-March-25, 13:26, said:

Auction goes with no interference

1♠-2♣-3♣-3♥

Is 3♥ asking partner to bid NT if he has ♥ stopped
or is it telling partner that he has Hearts stopped [with possibly 4 in the suit?]
and for you to bid /consider 3NT?




I play simple - if we are below 3NT we are looking for the right game....3rd suit shows 4th denies. So 3♥ means I have hearts, but no intention to play NT if p doesn't have a good ♦ stopper.
This doesn't mean that I won't bid after his response looking for slam, but I want to know more about his ♦ holding. ( I also play that 1♠-2♣-3♣-4NT is min-max and not RKCB).
If I am absolutely sure that I am looking for slam in ♣ , I would bid 4♣ on 3, to set suit and ask for cues. I can still cue it if partner bids 4♣ now, denying a stopper in ♦.
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Posted 2011-April-04, 06:39

View PostQuantumcat, on 2011-April-03, 05:02, said:

Partner won't have four hearts, or he would have responded 2♥ not 3♣.

Anyway, I have an agreement suggestion that covers all possible situations:

If there are two suits to be worried about, we SHOW.
If there are three suits we are worried about, we ASK.

This is because, if there are three suits and we show, partner doesn't know which one of the other suits he needs to have to bid 3NT. So asking is best.


How does this work? How does partner know if you are worried about 2 or 3 suits ?
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Posted 2011-April-04, 11:09

View PostQuantumcat, on 2011-April-03, 05:02, said:

Partner won't have four hearts, or he would have responded 2♥ not 3♣.

Anyway, I have an agreement suggestion that covers all possible situations:

If there are two suits to be worried about, we SHOW.
If there are three suits we are worried about, we ASK.

This is because, if there are three suits and we show, partner doesn't know which one of the other suits he needs to have to bid 3NT. So asking is best.


So when opps have 2 suits bid, and your side has bid one suit, does that mean u still have 3 suits to worry about (2 opps suit + 1 unbid suit) ?
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Posted 2011-April-06, 21:04

When the opps have bid two suits, that is two suits we are worried about. Not much point being afraid of the unbid suit, if opps have a fit in two suits they can hardly have much attacking power left in the unbid one.
If the opps have not bid, and we have only bid one, there are three.
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Posted 2011-April-07, 06:59

The fact partner doesn't have 4 hearts doesn't precule me from telling partner that I have lenght in a side suit where I need covers, this info is very useful for slam exploration.

3♥ is natural, that's all, natural on this context means 3+ cards (strong doubleton is possible). It logically implies that if 3NT is my target, I don't stop diamonds. But nobody said yet what my target is.
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Posted 2011-April-07, 15:04

View PostQuantumcat, on 2011-April-06, 21:04, said:

When the opps have bid two suits, that is two suits we are worried about. Not much point being afraid of the unbid suit, if opps have a fit in two suits they can hardly have much attacking power left in the unbid one.
If the opps have not bid, and we have only bid one, there are three.
If the opps have not bid and we have bid two, there are the other two.


Okay, thank you.
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