[dcohio]

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4♥ showed extras. 13 tricks in either black suit, 12 in NT.

[Crunch3nt]

I can't bid grand other than punting it. I would have bid 5H over 5C rather than 6C, but that doesn't achieve that much.

I am sure at the vulnerability given though, for better or worse, my partnership would be defending 3HX.

[Free]

There are many ways to find grand, but they're far from obvious.

1. West could bid 4♣ instead of 3NT, which is very unlikely and a poor choice imo.
2. West can pass (hoping to convert a probable Dbl from East). If East doubles it won't result in bidding the grand, however, East will probably bid something instead of doubling so there might be a way to bid the grand somehow (even in ♠).
3. You can start like you but let West bid something over 6♣.
4. East could bid something else over 5♣. 5NT for example.

Still, I don't find any method really convincing because it requires making too many choices. I would bid 6NT with West's hand though.

[menggq]

1C 3H
3N P 4H P
5C P 5H P
5S P 7C ALL PASS

For precision sys:
1C= 16+any
3N=♥ stopper 9hcp+
4H=cue bid with good hand and slam try
5C=suit
5H=♥first control(♥A/void) and ♣ suit FIT grand slam interesting.
5S=cue bid show ♠ first or second round control that's very important cue bid for grand slam otherwise bid 6♣
7C=all key cards for 7♣ in pocket why not bid it?! if E has ♥A can bid 7N too.

by the way i wd like to say if no preempt bidding from opp,7♣ wd be easier but dont forget use ERKCB asking.

[Fluffy]

West is not worth any more moves. However 5♣ is encouraging, west can bid 4NT as a total negative with too much wasted in hearts and he didn't.

But east can count 12 tricks at least, he has 5 clubs, 1 heart ruff and a 5 card suit to run on the fitting card partner is sure to give him plus at least the ace on the other suit. Finding a 13th will be a matter of having entries and spots to be able to ruff 2 hearts, having ♥A, having a 6th club, having ♠K instead of ♦Q or if everything fails, a simple finese in spades.

East has a blast to 7 over 5♣ IMO. Bidding 5♥ is not enough.

[Free]

menggq, on 2011-May-13, 02:54, said:

1C 3H
3N P 4H P
5C P 5H P
5S P 7C ALL PASS

For precision sys:
1C= 16+any
3N=♥ stopper 9hcp+
4H=cue bid with good hand and slam try
5C=suit
5H=♥first control(♥A/void) and ♣ suit FIT grand slam interesting.
5S=cue bid show ♠ first or second round control that's very important cue bid for grand slam otherwise bid 6♣
7C=all key cards for 7♣ in pocket why not bid it?! if E has ♥A can bid 7N too.

by the way i wd like to say if no preempt bidding from opp,7♣ wd be easier but dont forget use ERKCB asking.

I'm not convinced at all. First of all, you start cuebidding 2nd round controls at 5-level which is usually not done (too high). Secondly you skip your ♦ control, a bit double dummy vision if you ask me. Third, you showed a ♥ stopper, a ♣ suit and denied a ♦ control. This makes it very likely you have a singleton ♠ (not ♠Kx), which isn't that great for a 7♣ contract.

I've also thought about this sequence (with 5♠ meaning "I have values there") but imo it's unlikely that you'd actually bid this at the table. And if you do it, then the chance is huge that your partner will bid 7♠ for the wrong reasons (admitted, it's probably even better than 7♣). I don't believe West will pass 7♠ with a lot of confidence.

[dake50]

6xClubs makes this hand too offensive for X/3NT.
Show 4C (esp if 4NT can be signoff after a C-slam try rejected).
Now it looks as if H-exclusion ask begins the grand likely answers (SK shown).

[dcohio]

I considered 4♣ as my first call, but I quickly dismissed it. If partner doesn't have the rock crusher he has, 3NT is likely the best place to be (I forgot to mention this is MP...)

[dake50]

This other "rock-crusher" also makes 7C:
S-AQJ10x
H -
D-A543
C-AQxx
That's a 17 with their void. After 4C grand is found.
With less 4C -> 4NT quits.

[gwnn]

i'm not stopping below grand with east... if I'm convinced that 4♣ showed 5+, then I bid 7♣. I will go down sometimes so it's a partial punt.

[dcohio]

dake50, on 2011-May-14, 05:59, said:

This other "rock-crusher" also makes 7C:
S-AQJ10x
H -
D-A543
C-AQxx
That's a 17 with their void. After 4C grand is found.
With less 4C -> 4NT quits.

Still not convinced. I still think the most important feature of this hand IN COMPETITION is showing my heart stopper. Knowing partner has a heart void turns me off slam even more as 40% of my values are wasted.

[2200]

4H is a good bid but 5C simply doesn't do the job(forced). West needs to jump to 6C to show extra length and source of tricks, with some goody intermediates. After that, East has a simple raise.

[mike777]

I may end up playing 3hx

[dcohio]

With perfect defense you get 1100 vs 3Hx... so not a bad pickup.

[tolvyrj]

Can i bid grand in this sequence, sure; double dummy. But in single dummy lets see. 4♥ after 3Nt is a good bid it asks west to bid again and usually advrtise some sort of 2 suiter or very good one suited hand.
Back in the wests shoes; yippee 4 of my 10 hcp. just bites the dust, what shall i bid; 5 ♣ of course, since i cant know what my prd has. 6 ♣ is either double dummy bid or it tells about hand unsuitable for other contracts than previously mentioned; eau de cologne hand for excample 4711.
Now after weat bids 5 ♣ easts bids naturally 5 ♦ as a suit, not as a cue, telling s/he has ♠ and ♦.
Back to wests hand; after a long murmuring s/he decides to bid 6 ♠ and not settle to 5 ♦.
Its not east who decide wheter to play grand or not its east who decide wheter to play small slam or not IMHO.