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Posted 2011-July-23, 13:10

There is no doubt these events are very popular growing in stature
and the numbers participating is incresing. however...........

One needs 2 PROFILES {A} for normal bridge
{B} for goul's
it with due respect to ones partner and opps,
if one arrives at a good or bad contract,one has
to do the best job available.
It also requires a lot more judgement to arrive at the
best def and final contract............
very enjoyable and entertaing format,
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Posted 2011-July-23, 18:36

Playing conventions, besides blackwood and maybe stayman, at ghoulash = lol.
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Posted 2011-July-24, 00:32

Are they popular in general (since you posted in the General Bridge Discussion forum), not just on BBO?

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Posted 2011-July-24, 01:23

User's profile does not have any specific place to list conventions, system etc. It has a field called "Other" and it's not mandatory to fill it in with conventions.

You can create a CC that you like to use in goulash and agree with your partner to use it for such tourneys. And create another CC for the regular tourneys.

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Posted 2011-July-24, 03:13

View PostTylerE, on 2011-July-23, 18:36, said:

Playing conventions, besides blackwood and maybe stayman, at ghoulash = lol.


Four four fits are crucial in goulash!
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I believe that the USA currently hold only the World Championship For People Who Still Bid Like Your Auntie Gladys - dburn
dunno how to play 4 card majors - JLOGIC
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Bidding is an estimation of probabilities SJ Simon

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Posted 2011-August-09, 13:20

I posted my system for goulash a while ago. It works quite well for me and I invite others to try it and see if it works for them.

So I'll copy my goulash strategy here for comments and critique.



A complicated bidding system, with lots of relays will not work in goulash in my opinion.

The opponents will have lots of opportunities and hands to pump up the biding to the 4 and 5 level so a strong club system will not work out well.

There are some basic rules of bidding and doubling that I subscribe to that I have found out work out well.

1. When you have an opening bid with points you open at the 1 level.

2. Assume that a 1 ♣ or 1 ♦ opening bid is a long suit and support with 3 cards, it will be over 95% of the time in my experience.

3. When you have a barrage type hand open up at the level indicated by your hand pattern, level 2, 3, 4, 5 or whatever.

4. You ALWAYS support your partners suit with 3 cards, ALWAYS means you never miss an opportunity to support partner. There is one exception to this, if your partner has bid game with barrage bid. Then you can support or not whether you judge if the ops have a game slam or not. You can support with different bids, simple raising, splinter, Ace asking, cue-bids, delayed support, weak jumps, whatever, don't worry if the level has reached the 5 level, support your partner.

5. Rule 4 is the reason for rule 1. Your partner with support must know what type of hand you have, an opener plus or a barrage hand.

6. Except with OBVIOUS sacrifice bids by opponents, do not double ops contract without,
a. SURE trump tricks, AK, KQ, QJ98, and so on
b. Aces or AK in SHORT suits of yours.
c. Do not double with Aces in long suits of yours, or with 4 or 5 trumps to 87532.
d. QJ's usually count for nothing on defense in goulash.

7. Even doubling obvious sacrifice bids with defensive tricks, expect to be unpleasantly surprised sometimes. One op will have a void in 1 suit and the other in the other suit. Cross-ruff time is upon you and they will probably make. B)

8. In bidding it is very useful to have some type of Ace asking system with voids.

I use a 3NT opener to ask for specific Aces, do not do this and do not play Exclusion blackwood without agreements. Also it is advisable to play DOPI or DIPO because many times ops will have the suits to interrupt your regular RKC responses.

9. If you are bidding with points in what seems to be a misfit auction, a 3NT bid should guarentee a solid suit to run for tricks, either you have one or you can fill out your partners suit. If you are counting on a suit with AQ108xx in a misfit auction, you are living in a pipe dream world.

10. Although it just seems common sense, I mention the following point because I have seen it many times, do not introduce new suits at the 3 level or above (unless it is a barrage opening) that do not have body to them without some type of escape.

To clarify, your partner opens 2 ♠ weak and you hold 976432, of ♥ with a singleton ♠, and scattered honors KQ in other suits, do not bid ♥. But you say I have a 6 card suit, if I have a fit... yes you do and if you get Xed I can tell you what the opening lead will be... 10 ♥ followed by the J and so on... you will probably take 2 or if you are lucky 3 tricks. Yes ops may have a slam on the hand, but who says they are going to bid it? Give your partners preempt a chance to work.

So when can you bid a suit of your own, well an example hand would be if opponent opened 1 ♦ partner over-called 2 ♣, followed by second op bidding 3 ♦, I would bid 3 ♥ on AQ10976 ♥, with 10xx ♣ support. Notice that the suit has body to it and if it gets doubled I have an escape, supporting my P's suit. Unless my partner has a good lead of his own, I would like a ♥ lead on defense, plus I want to explore a fit above ♦ on the bidding ladder if we have one.

11. If you are sure that you can control the bidding, bid slowly and forcing, DO NOT JUMP unless partner is likely or able to pass the bidding on his turn.

To give you an opportunity to show you what I mean, I recently held...

♠ AKQJ10976542 ♥ - ♦ Kx ♣ - ;) and my partner opened in first seat 1♣!!! :o

I bid 1 ♠, p bid 2 ♥ I bid 3 ♦ :o , Why you ask?

Because I wanted to see if partner could give delayed support to ♦. even 2 cards. If he supported ♠ I would have been shocked even in goulash. So how does that help you ask, well if he supports ♦, I can bid 5NT Grand slam force, this COMMANDS partner to bid 6 ♦ or 7 ♦ with 1 or 2 of the top honors in ♦.
With no top honors he bids 6 ♣, it also COMMANDS partner to pass whatever you rebid. No discussion or opinion from him is required on this particular hand. Even better partner bid 3 NT after 3 ♦, I now bid 6 ♠.

The entire bidding went 1 ♣ 1 ♠ 2 ♥ 3 ♦ 3 NT (X) 6 ♠ - P - P - X all pass.

Partner had the golden 8 ♠ and 2 Aces and 2 Kings so the contract was book on any lead, I made +1 on the ♥ lead. A cool 95% matchpoints.

I knew that even if partner had Jxx in ♦ I would almost assuredly have some kind of play on the lead, My one worry is that they would lead a trump. But I was going to 6 ♠ anyways, I controled the bidding to get information from partner, and the key point is I KNEW that I could control the bidding because I had the boss suit.

12. The example hand brings up rule 12. Never pass a command bid by partner and always assume he or she knows what they are doing. Even if p's bidding seems screwy, assume they know what they are doing. I can only imagine what my partner thought when I bid 6 ♠, especially after RHO Xed.

13. On defense this is in conjuction with rule 4. Do not double a slam after screwy bidding without SURE trump tricks. RHO obviously had ♣ 's to double 3 NT and as it turns out the A ♦. She should have realized that something strange was going on, and should not have Xed. If I am going down they will get a good score anyways.

By the way I might have bid the same way with 12 ♠'s and a singleton ♦, then I would have XX and they would have no place to run.

14. Learn to recognize "Key cards" that fit your partners hand.

For example. Your partner bids 1 ♥, ops bid ♠ then he bids 6 ♣

You have Q ♥ singleton and J1032 ♣. These are HUGE cards for your partner. You have to remember that he is bidding slam by himself without these cards. He is not worried about a ♠ or ♦ loser, bid 7 ♣ with these cards.

Same thing when partner bids 6 of a slam by himself, and you have a top honor in his suit A, K or Q bid the grand.

Just my thoughts,

Theo
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Posted 2011-August-11, 07:06

The only goulash system I know of is like

1/2x = 6 cards, 11-20/21+
1/2NT= no 6 card suit, 13-19/20+ or so, may be 5440!!
3x and above = 7+ cards, can include min opening values.
Dbl = PENALTY at any level.
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Posted 2011-August-11, 14:35

From my limited experience with goulashes, I would suggest four things:

1. Use all the opening bids from 1NT to 2NT to show specific two suiters. You want a way to get all your suits in early and you don't need to worry too much about balanced hands or having a strong artificial opening.

2. One level openings should be sound, with defensive values.

3. Take every opportunity to bid to the limit early and respect partner's decisions after that.

4. Most importantly, play essentially normal bridge. Don't go nuts.
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