[FrancesHinden]

I was once dealt a hand with 11 solid clubs. I was the playing director, and the board had been (hand-) dealt at the table in my absence.
I (correctly) demanded a redeal and the opponents looked somewhat disappointed.

[ahydra]

Vampyr, on 2011-October-07, 21:06, said:

(Also it is close whether 2♣ is permitted in the EBU, though this might not be a problem; the applicable jurisdiction is not noted.)

Interesting to consider how this can be improved. There is not much room to do anything over a 4NT opening; some people use a 3NT opening as an ace ask; but those who prefer to use the 3NT opening for something with a bit higher frequency will be stuck and will just have to muddle through next time they pick up a solid 11-card suit.

Certainly permitted in the EBU - the hand has 11 clear cut tricks!

I have played a 3NT ace ask in the past - but never developed or seen a system where, after responder shows two aces, opener can ask what aces they are. You could say "4NT shows 2 aces, forcing to slam, opener bids the suit he's not interested in" - so 5D here, after which N bids 6C (pass or correct) because the DA is useless. What to do with ♠KQJxxxx ♥- ♦- ♣ KQJxxx though? That's the fun of bridge, I guess

ahydra

[1eyedjack]

FrancesHinden, on 2011-October-08, 12:51, said:

I was once dealt a hand with 11 solid clubs. I was the playing director, and the board had been (hand-) dealt at the table in my absence.
I (correctly) demanded a redeal and the opponents looked somewhat disappointed.

You asked for a redeal after discovering that you had 11 solid clubs? Really that is correct?

[Cyberyeti]

ahydra, on 2011-October-09, 02:49, said:

Certainly permitted in the EBU - the hand has 11 clear cut tricks!

You forgot the "and the strength promised by a normal 1 opener" type clause, which I believe from previous discussion is an 11 or 12 count not a 10 count.

[1eyedjack]

ahydra, on 2011-October-09, 02:49, said:

Certainly permitted in the EBU - the hand has 11 clear cut tricks!

I am unpersuaded by your certainty.
The minimum requirements for a strong forcing opening in EBUland was summarised by Bluejack in this thread
http://www.bridgebas...ning-two-clubs/

To my mind it lacks the normal HCP for an opening hand and fails the rule of 25.
Having a minimum CCT is expressly stated as being insufficient, on its own, to qualify, although may be included among other requirements.
Don't take this post as in support of the rules, just my interpretation of them

[aguahombre]

1eyedjack, on 2011-October-09, 07:53, said:

Don't take this post as in support of the rules, just my interpretation of them

I doubt anyone would assume you support a rule which would deny a player holding 11 solid tricks to use a strong, forcing and artificial opening ---whether it be 1♣, 2♣, or some other --- in order to find out if partner can contribute the other one or two tricks.

I do admit my statement above could open up a can of worms regarding intent. To clarify, there might be cases where a ruling on whether opener was using the bid constructively or obstructively needs to be made. (Yeh, I know I can't cite a regulation; but it still is my belief about what is right.)

If, for example, the partnership has follow-ups to discover specific controls in specific suits I would never be so anal as to challenge their use of the artificial opening. This could be determined quite easily by listening to the disclosure during the auction.

This post has been edited by aguahombre: 2011-October-09, 09:15

[ahydra]

Well even if you're going to niggle over 1 HCP, surely I can classify it as a game forcing hand (given 5C is stone cold opposite anything)?

ahydra

[pooltuna]

100% N ...bidding over unilateral actions is usually wrong and so the blame goes to those who do.

[aguahombre]

pooltuna, on 2011-October-09, 13:31, said:

100% N ...bidding over unilateral actions is usually wrong and so the blame goes to those who do.

Of course, we might say the same thing about taking unilateral actions.

[Lurpoa]

the hog, on 2011-October-08, 02:45, said:

Open 3NT asking for specific Aces.

♥♥♥
no, 4♦, to ask for ♥A,
and then 4♠, to ask for ♠A.
♥♥♥