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#21 User is offline   aguahombre 

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Posted 2011-October-10, 10:31

Why was the seventh spade put into the OP? 6-1-4-2 seems fine for Lamford's agenda (poll?).
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Posted 2011-October-10, 11:26

View Postgnasher, on 2011-October-10, 09:24, said:

I'd open it 1♠. I don't mind 4♠, but I hate 3♠ with so much defence.


Kran: I'd open 1...no 3...no I got too much D...but it's red/red...

I'm not sure what that's a vote for lol.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 11:32

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-October-10, 11:26, said:

Kran: I'd open 1...no 3...no I got too much D...but it's red/red...

I'm not sure what that's a vote for lol.

Isn't "love all" white/white?
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Posted 2011-October-10, 12:55

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-October-10, 11:32, said:

Isn't "love all" white/white?



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Posted 2011-October-10, 13:04

I prefer 3♠, but 1♠ is ok too. I wouldn't consider 4♠ playing 'standard' but if your preempts are quite aggressive then this might qualify.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 13:26

View Postgnasher, on 2011-October-10, 09:24, said:

I'd open it 1♠. I don't mind 4♠, but I hate 3♠ with so much defence.


I agree that it doesn't seem right to open 3♠ on hands with "so much defence", but it's hard to see how this hand falls into this category. In practice, this sort of hand tends to take more defensive tricks if you open 3♠ than if you open 1♠, as a 3♠ opener will often persuade an opponent to play your partner for high cards outside spades.

Would you also open 1♠ on ♠QJ10xxxx ♥2 ♦KJ2 ♣32?
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Posted 2011-October-10, 13:28

View PostMickyB, on 2011-October-10, 10:25, said:

Playing standard methods, nothing but 3♠ would occur to me.


Playing non-standard methods, what would you prefer to open? 2♥ showing hearts or spades, perhaps?
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Posted 2011-October-10, 14:42

View PostBbradley62, on 2011-October-10, 11:32, said:

Isn't "love all" white/white?


OMG that is what I said but he swore it was red/red.... haha...he is still arguing that it's red/red.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 14:42

double post: I am using the tennis argument, he says "then what's red...love/red, I've never heard of that."

Ok, white/white kran says he opens 1S all day
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Posted 2011-October-10, 14:46

Would open 1♠, we play 1st seat as a "gun" position so partner is not going to expect this much defence in a 3 bid.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 14:49

Ugly to be honest. Heavy on defence for 3S, way too rubbish for 4S, too light for 1S. I'm half tempted to pass but in reality I'd open 3S.

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Posted 2011-October-10, 14:58

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-October-10, 14:42, said:

I am using the tennis argument, he says "then what's red...love/red, I've never heard of that."

Apparently, red/red is:

View PostCyberyeti, on 2011-September-18, 14:11, said:

Game all, Dealer W...

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Posted 2011-October-10, 15:08

3♠. The junk on the side doesn't worry me much, especially not against aggressive opponents who might easily be pushed to high after 3♠.
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Posted 2011-October-10, 19:34

Interesting 1♠ did not even occur to me untill i read Zal's reply.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 00:18

Wasn't there a thread about this a while back? If we are N/S, we are:
Board 1: at Love all
Board 2: at (in?) Red
Board 3: at Green
Board 4: at Game all

Well this was just one of the British usages, there was also Amber for unfavourable and some other expressions.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:14

You also sometimes hear White -> Red -> Green -> Amber but I usually just say WE (or THEY) [are vulnerable] together with Love All and Game All. Or alternatively "I looked at the colours for once!" for a particularly cowardly or foolhardy action.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:20

1S is ludicrous.

3S is the clear answer
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:20

View Postgwnn, on 2011-October-11, 00:18, said:

Wasn't there a thread about this a while back? If we are N/S, we are:
Board 1: at Love all
Board 2: at (in?) Red
Board 3: at Green
Board 4: at Game all

Well this was just one of the British usages, there was also Amber for unfavourable and some other expressions.

That's a mixture of two terminologies. The normal English terms are "Love all", "Unfavourable", "Favourable" and "Game all". You will often see these in print, and they even appear in the ACBL Encylopedia of Bridge. Colloquially, people may use "White", "Red", "Green" and "Amber". Obviously, the latter scheme is best avoided on an international forum.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:22

View Postjallerton, on 2011-October-10, 13:26, said:

Would you also open 1♠ on ♠QJ10xxxx ♥2 ♦KJ2 ♣32?

No, I'd open 3♠, but I'd still be a bit unhappy about the outside values.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:27

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-October-10, 09:27, said:

Isn't opening 4 with a lot of defense worse than opening 3 with a lot of defense?

Dunno. It it doesn't feel as bad, for some reason.
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