lenght on all suits
#1
Posted 2011-December-06, 16:20
♥J109xx
♦x
♣J108x
our side vul, rho opens
2♥-pass-pass-4♠
pass-pass-5♣-pass!
pass-??
#2
Posted 2011-December-06, 16:32
Partner seems to have some idea that he can make 4♠ just looking at his hand, and you fill in his trump suit, so that might justify bidding 5♠.
A principle that one hears frequently is that when freak hands abound, your side should be declaring; that, too, would argue in favor of 5♠.
Anyway, that's what I'd bid.
(Ultimately, you'll show us the other three hands, no?)
"If you're driving [the Honda S2000] with the top up, the storm outside had better have a name."
Simplify the complicated side; don't complify the simplicated side.
#3
Posted 2011-December-06, 16:47
Guessing shape with precision here is impossible, but partner should be very short in the rounded suits, and have good trump. This means that we can probably score some diamond ruffs.
While they are not making 5♣, my expectation would be that we'd collect 500 (or less) more often than not, and that we're making 650 more often than not.
I don't generally enjoy being pushed around, but doubling seems to be settling for what will uusually be a poor score.
#4
Posted 2011-December-06, 17:59
#5
Posted 2011-December-06, 18:06
I just dont want us both to end up bidding the same values twice.
#6
Posted 2011-December-06, 19:14
mike777, on 2011-December-06, 18:06, said:
I just dont want us both to end up bidding the same values twice.
This is a tough decision, with 1 partner he would double 5♣ to show that he bid 4♠ with the expectation that he was making, the pass would signify that he was playing me for tricks or sacking (though given he could have passed out 2♥! we'd be discussing this after the set!)
I'm bidding 5, only 1 defensive trick and Qxx trump plus stiff D (opposite partners likely length) at other vulnerabilities I'd agonise more (but probably still bid)
#7
Posted 2011-December-06, 19:23
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#8
Posted 2011-December-06, 20:56
I do.
We are red v white and had a power auction to 4♠.....partner could easily be 7=0=4=2 or such and be unwilling to double 2♥ lest we leave it in. They were playing 2♥ until he balanced.....we have to be willing to pay to this hand belonging to them in order to have flexibility here, imo. If he has AKJxxxxxx and out, too bad.
#9
Posted 2011-December-06, 21:13
mikeh, on 2011-December-06, 20:56, said:
I do.
We are red v white and had a power auction to 4♠.....partner could easily be 7=0=4=2 or such and be unwilling to double 2♥ lest we leave it in. They were playing 2♥ until he balanced.....we have to be willing to pay to this hand belonging to them in order to have flexibility here, imo. If he has AKJxxxxxx and out, too bad.
Partner has lots of options with a strong hand. He can double, he can jump to 3♠, he can cuebid 3♥ and correct to spades. He has only one option with a weaker hand and long spades, so I think we should cater for that.
#10
Posted 2011-December-06, 21:48
quiddity, on 2011-December-06, 21:13, said:
while I don't like the idea of allowing our hand to determine what partner meant by his pass, did you see our hand? And listen to the auction? Do you really think LHO has a 20 count?
While I agree with one of your points (3♥ then spades, that requires an agreement. Your other two points, double and 3♠, make no sense....neither is forcing. I infer, from the auction and our hand, that partner doesn't think we have the 3♥ tehn spades agreement.
#11
Posted 2011-December-06, 23:00
#13
Posted 2011-December-07, 00:58
mikeh, on 2011-December-06, 21:48, said:
While I agree with one of your points (3♥ then spades, that requires an agreement. Your other two points, double and 3♠, make no sense....neither is forcing. I infer, from the auction and our hand, that partner doesn't think we have the 3♥ tehn spades agreement.
I misunderstood your initial post. I thought you were arguing that pass should be forcing, not that this particular partner thought that pass was forcing.
#15
Posted 2011-December-07, 04:05
One risk in defending is that declarer might be able to cash several heart winners, with partner unable to ruff. However, even if he makes three hearts and six clubs, that's still two down, and we still might not make 5♠.
I'd double.
#16
Posted 2011-December-07, 04:29
I would double.
#18
Posted 2011-December-07, 08:36
Fluffy, on 2011-December-07, 08:15, said:
♠AK8xxx
♥Ax
♦AQxx
♣x
he probably things this is our fault as well......
#19
Posted 2011-December-07, 08:47
phil_20686, on 2011-December-07, 08:36, said:
I've played with that partner . . . but never twice.
"If you're driving [the Honda S2000] with the top up, the storm outside had better have a name."
Simplify the complicated side; don't complify the simplicated side.
#20
Posted 2011-December-07, 10:32
Fluffy, on 2011-December-07, 08:15, said:
♠AK8xxx
♥Ax
♦AQxx
♣x
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