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Law 12 in a specific case Originally posted on Appeals Forum in error - sorry

#21 User is offline   mjk43 

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Posted 2012-January-20, 01:45

Many thanks for all of the helpful comments which came quickly in response to my query. I understand that East doubled when North "had shown" a minor two suiter but would not have done on a correct explanation because East's club suit was a positive factor in the former situation and would have been neutral or negative in the latter.

What I take from the comments overall is that although not 100% clear cut, most of the experienced people who commented would, like me, have awarded an adjustment.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 09:17

Perhaps I have been spoiled by having the luxury of playing (and directing) in larger games with non-playing directors available. Irrespective of this, I believe that the director could reopen the auction and allow the pass to be withdrawn under L21B1(a). As others have stated, the adjusted score can be made, but I see no reason - save perhaps that the director wasn't available when the correction was offered.

Escaping scrutiny here is that through poor bidding, NS missed the contract for an even better score. Did other pairs find it?
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Posted 2012-January-24, 09:39

What people did at other tables is not relevant to the ruling at this table.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 10:22

View Postschulken, on 2012-January-24, 09:17, said:

Perhaps I have been spoiled by having the luxury of playing (and directing) in larger games with non-playing directors available. Irrespective of this, I believe that the director could reopen the auction and allow the pass to be withdrawn under L21B1(a). As others have stated, the adjusted score can be made, but I see no reason - save perhaps that the director wasn't available when the correction was offered.

Allowing the final pass to be withdrawn wouldn't help matters - it was the final double that is under discussion, and it's too late to withdraw that.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 12:43

View PostAlexJonson, on 2012-January-19, 15:09, said:

If you told me that you were polling me, but you might or might not be influenced by my answer, you would save both of us a small effort, because I would not take part in your poll.

Of course. But since I would be influenced by your answer, I would not say that, would I?
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Posted 2012-January-24, 16:24

View Postblackshoe, on 2012-January-24, 09:39, said:

What people did at other tables is not relevant to the ruling at this table.

Understand. I was just curious.
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Posted 2012-January-24, 16:24

View Postbluejak, on 2012-January-24, 12:43, said:

Of course. But since I would be influenced by your answer, I would not say that, would I?

Of course, you're right. Sorry, I got ahead of myself.
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