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unfavourable, partner deals and opens a strong club (16+ any), RHO overcalls 4♥ passed around to partner who reopens with a double
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picking a suit with 4-6
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Posted 2012-July-28, 04:21
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Posted 2012-July-28, 07:30
At MPs, I'll bid 4♠ and at IMPs I'll bid 5♦.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 09:09
I choose hearts.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 11:31
4♠
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 11:36
4♠. 5♦ is likely to have too many losers.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-July-28, 13:08
Agree 4♠ seems best an obvious. Partner's double strongly implies ♠s and you hold an 8-loser hand. Giving partner 5-6 losers on a minimum, let's try for the 10 trick game first instead of the 11 trick one.
I would hope partner would find 4N instead with a 2-suiter.
I would hope partner would find 4N instead with a 2-suiter.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 16:50
You are doomed if you bid 4♠ and pard has the dreaded 3-1-3-6 or the split is really bad
Doomed if you bid 5♦ and pard has 4 spades with only 10 tricks available.
I like my opening lead to get 500 when we missed the game and I'll pay off to a small loss to avoid giving them a possible plus. State of the match or short imp matches could easily change my mind.
Come to think of it, there are a lot of hands like 4-1-2-6 that pard has no option but double available. Pre-empts stink.
Doomed if you bid 5♦ and pard has 4 spades with only 10 tricks available.
I like my opening lead to get 500 when we missed the game and I'll pay off to a small loss to avoid giving them a possible plus. State of the match or short imp matches could easily change my mind.
Come to think of it, there are a lot of hands like 4-1-2-6 that pard has no option but double available. Pre-empts stink.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 18:37
4S. This is a better bet than 5D.
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Posted 2012-July-28, 22:15
4♠. Passing the double seems really weird to me given our shape and the unfavorable vul, but I don't have a lot of experience with a strong club.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 04:15
Partner had
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I tried 4♠ and played 5♠ after some competition wich was hopeless even after a favourable diamond lead when trumps turned out to be 5-0. 6♦ might make on a non spade lead. Probably system (1♣ opening versus 1♦ opening on the rest of the tables) was mostly at fault for this result.
♠KJxx
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♦AKQxx
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I tried 4♠ and played 5♠ after some competition wich was hopeless even after a favourable diamond lead when trumps turned out to be 5-0. 6♦ might make on a non spade lead. Probably system (1♣ opening versus 1♦ opening on the rest of the tables) was mostly at fault for this result.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 07:35
Fluffy, on 2012-July-30, 04:15, said:
Partner had
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♦AKQxx
♣AK10x
I tried 4♠ and played 5♠ after some competition wich was hopeless even after a favourable diamond lead when trumps turned out to be 5-0. 6♦ might make on a non spade lead. Probably system (1♣ opening versus 1♦ opening on the rest of the tables) was mostly at fault for this result.
♠KJxx
♥-
♦AKQxx
♣AK10x
I tried 4♠ and played 5♠ after some competition wich was hopeless even after a favourable diamond lead when trumps turned out to be 5-0. 6♦ might make on a non spade lead. Probably system (1♣ opening versus 1♦ opening on the rest of the tables) was mostly at fault for this result.
Presumably opener competed to 5♠ over their 5♥. Instead, maybe he should double a second time, to show the same shape as before but more high cards?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2012-July-30, 14:11
a second double would tend to be 3 spade cards for us I think.
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Posted 2012-July-30, 14:26
Fluffy, on 2012-July-30, 14:11, said:
a second double would tend to be 3 spade cards for us I think.
Yeh. I am not convinced that the first double showed 4 spades, either. It doesn't seem to me as if the opener had a lot of options with various patterns when balancing at 4H.
I guess letting 4H float out with some more balanced hands containing a lot of quick tricks (say 19+) is a trade-off.
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Posted 2012-July-31, 08:16
I think you were just unlucky. At IMPs, 5♦ would be better than 4♠, and 6♦ would be better than 6♠, but at matchpoints 4♠ (and then 5♠ over 5♥) is perfectly reasonable.
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