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Responding to Take out Double over a 2-Level Overcall Vul. Matters & your partner has a very strong hand...

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Posted 2012-September-14, 02:34



Edit: Partner's double is for take out in agreement.
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Posted 2012-September-14, 02:38

lol. give me four good spades or five poor ones and we can talk. This one has seven trump tricks FGS !
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Posted 2012-September-14, 04:27

This is either a joke or a UI case.
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Posted 2012-September-14, 04:31

ffs, this has reminded me of the most annoying hand ever. I had 7 trumps over declarers 5, and I ended up conceding 5 trumps tricks defending 1Sx because I could not shorten my trumps enough and ended up having to lead into declarers trumps/letting him ruff things, all the time.



Play started with a club lead, then a diamond to the ace and a club ruffed by declarer, then he played a diamond, so I ruffed and played a heart, and partner played another top heart (discarding a club), then a third heart, which I ruffed and played my fourth club, which declarer ruffed, and now I have two more trumps than him, so he plays a diamond I have to ruff and play a trump and then he played another diamond and I had to ruff and play a trump.

PS: the hand is a construction based roughly on my memory of what happened.
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Posted 2012-September-18, 22:45

On this hand i bid 3. Partner having 30 points in his hand raised to 7. It is extemely unbeliveable that 7= was the bottom score.
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Posted 2012-September-19, 08:39

View PostMinorKid, on 2012-September-18, 22:45, said:

On this hand i bid 3. Partner having 30 points in his hand raised to 7. It is extemely unbeliveable that 7= was the bottom score.


Why did partner double Two Spades?
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Posted 2012-September-19, 08:41

View PostPhilKing, on 2012-September-19, 08:39, said:

Why did partner double Two Spades?

Perhaps (s)he was catering to us having AQT8642 in trumps.
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Posted 2012-September-19, 09:56

View PostZelandakh, on 2012-September-19, 08:41, said:

Perhaps (s)he was catering to us having AQT8642 in trumps.


But surely we need eight to pass ...
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Posted 2012-September-19, 10:01

View PostMinorKid, on 2012-September-18, 22:45, said:

It is extemely unbeliveable that 7= was the bottom score.


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Posted 2012-September-19, 10:07

I heard 2Sx= is game, there are a lot of brave people here but you should take this into consideration.
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Posted 2012-September-19, 12:05

East has levelled us, and I would like a game with him some time.

He has overcalled 2 with hearts. Then had the bottle to pass when North doubled, trusting that we would have a monumental screw-up, or failing that, a cold grand.

We must be cold for Seven Spades - I rather suspect we have about 19 tricks, but eight down in Two Spades is only 2000.

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I would have bid Three Spades on the first round, which is natural for me. And partner's double shows a balanced hand with no clear direction, since with an unbalanced game force, he just bids a suit.

I simply don't believe partner has - AKQJ AKQJT AKQJ. Who doubles Two Spades with that?
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Posted 2012-September-20, 02:17

View PostPhilKing, on 2012-September-19, 12:05, said:

East has levelled us, and I would like a game with him some time.

He has overcalled 2 with hearts. Then had the bottle to pass when North doubled, trusting that we would have a monumental screw-up, or failing that, a cold grand.

We must be cold for Seven Spades - I rather suspect we have about 19 tricks, but eight down in Two Spades is only 2000.

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I would have bid Three Spades on the first round, which is natural for me. And partner's double shows a balanced hand with no clear direction, since with an unbalanced game force, he just bids a suit.

I simply don't believe partner has - AKQJ AKQJT AKQJ. Who doubles Two Spades with that?


Eight down doubled vulnerable is 2300
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Posted 2012-September-20, 04:21

View PostMinorKid, on 2012-September-20, 02:17, said:

Eight down doubled vulnerable is 2300


Assumed they were at favourable - no good with colour coding.
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