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Polish club passed hand structure

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Posted 2012-November-28, 14:26

My partner and I have been playing Polish club as described by Jassem (WJ05) + a few gadgets for more than a year now. One thing that is not mentioned in the book is how he responds to 1 as a passed hand: e.g., what are 2m and 2N now? I assume 2m=9-11, 2N=10-11 is playable but how does that modify e.g. the 1N response or the 3m responses? Is there anything standard?
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Posted 2012-November-29, 06:50

View Postantonylee, on 2012-November-28, 14:26, said:

My partner and I have been playing Polish club as described by Jassem (WJ05) + a few gadgets for more than a year now. One thing that is not mentioned in the book is how he responds to 1 as a passed hand: e.g., what are 2m and 2N now? I assume 2m=9-11, 2N=10-11 is playable but how does that modify e.g. the 1N response or the 3m responses? Is there anything standard?

I do not know whether there is a standard, I can only tell you what I like to play.
One of the features in WJ05 I consider a bit weird is the range of the 1NT response to 1 showing 9-11. It is neither fish nor fowl.
If partner is strong you often wrongside notrump and if he is 12-14 but maximum, he may not be able to pass in comfort for fear of missing game.
I play an immediate 1NT response to 1 as a clear invitation opposite a weak notrump, something starting from a good ten to a bad 12 count.
Hands, which would bid 2NT over a weak notrump opening. This enables us to play 1NT, where others reach 2NT or 3NT and often go down.
Being balanced with no 4 card major and less up to a poor ten count we respond 1 and will only later bid 1NT over 1M.
I see no good reason to do anything else as a passed hand.
For example yesterday I held as dealer, all vulnerable

K8,A83,QJT83,732

I passed and responded 1NT to 1. Though partner had 13 HCP even 1NT would have gone down double dummy.
But passed opponents now decided to compete over 1NT and paid out 800 in 2 doubled.

If a passed hand responds in two of a minor over 1, it should show a reasonable suit in an unbalanced hand with no 4 card major and enough for game if partner has a strong variant. The response of three of a minor over 1 remains unchanged.

The 2NT response over 1 for a passed hand does not exist, because so far I have not come up with a good meaning. (suggestions welcome)
Both opponents have passed already. If you use it for a weak hand you are likely preempting your partner.

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Posted 2012-December-02, 00:25

Depends a fair bit what hands you open. When I am playing a Polish variant, if I am a passed hand, I will never have 11 HCP, let alone a bad 12. (As an unpassed hand I have used 1NT as wide as 8-11, still expecting opener to pass 14s.)

I've never had an agreement about 2NT by a passed hand, I don't think.
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