[mr1303]

Hi all

As an unpassed hand, we play 2C as a game forcing relay and 2D and 2H as natural 4-9, NF.

As a passed hand, we have decided to replace 2C with the Drury convention, which seems to fit in nicely.

What I'm looking for are continuations after P 1M 2C. What we're currently doing:

2D = Lawrence Drury, enquiry as to nature of 2C

2H = min, 3 card support (or 4333 with 4 card support)
2S = max, 3 card support
2NT = 4 card support, not 4333.

2H = natural, forcing for 1 round
2S = rubbish, pass on pain of death.
4S = to play

Other bids are as yet undefined. Any suggestions?

[straube]

mr1303, on 2012-December-17, 17:30, said:

Hi all

As an unpassed hand, we play 2C as a game forcing relay and 2D and 2H as natural 4-9, NF.

As a passed hand, we have decided to replace 2C with the Drury convention, which seems to fit in nicely.

What I'm looking for are continuations after P 1M 2C. What we're currently doing:

2D = Lawrence Drury, enquiry as to nature of 2C

2H = min, 3 card support (or 4333 with 4 card support)
2S = max, 3 card support
2NT = 4 card support, not 4333.

2H = natural, forcing for 1 round
2S = rubbish, pass on pain of death.
4S = to play

Other bids are as yet undefined. Any suggestions?

We play a strong club system, too, and consequently open light. We also play weak twos for the majors which means that unless we feel it merits a preempt to 3m, we pass a lot of weak diamond and club hands. For PH situations, we've given up on science...

1H P ?
.....2C-natural, usually six clubs
.....2D-constructive raise
.....2H-weak raise
.....2N-limit raise
.....fit showing jumps

1S P ?
.....2C-natural, usually six clubs
.....2D-natural, usually six diamonds
.....2H-constructive raise
.....etc

So yeah, we can get burned by not showing hearts after pd bids spades, but pd has had an opportunity to open 1H light or preempt 2H and declined...possibly because of having side spades...so it's rare that responder will actually want to show hearts.

Our limit raise, 2N, always promises four+ trump.

[SteveMoe]

We open 1M aggressively in all seats.
I've played Reverse Drury Fit 2♣=4, 2♦=3 card support with good effect.
With one partner we like 4 or 5 card majors in 3rd seat, so we play (2♣ shows 3 and) opener's 2♦ rebid reveals a 4-card Major (2M would show 5 cards in a sub-minimum opener).

[Free]

We also play 1M-2♣ as GF relay by an unpassed hand. With passed hand we play:
2♣ = reversed Drury (more like constructive raise actually, 8-11HCP with 3 card fit)
2♦ = 5OM, 2M, pick a M to play at 2-level
2♥ (non jump) = nat, constructive
2M = 0-7(8)HCP with fit
2NT = INV, 4+M
3M = mixed raise
jumps in new suits are fit jumps.

[steve2005]

Drury or Reverse Drury(preferred) is very good even playing Precision and well worth the effort.
It allows you to play in 2M while still investigating for game.
It is one of few artificial methods allowed under ACBL GCC to do that, you can't use Drury after 1st or 2nd seat opening which would be very useful playing Precision.
Would not choose to use 2-way as you lose the natural 2♦response, having already lost natural 2♣ response.
If you open 4 card majors 3rd or 4th seat suck it up and play in occasional 4-3.

[SteelWheel]

I've tried to convince ACBL TDs that playing 2♣/2♦ as artificial relay bids in response to 1st & 2nd seat openings of 1 of a major are totally kosher--really! We're merely playing "Two-Way Non-Fit Drury by an Unpassed Hand". Doesn't usually work, but worth a try..

More seriously: Drury is very much still worth playing even in a Precision context, especially if you tend to open good quality, lead-directional four-card majors in 3rd & 4th seat--something I do fairly often.

Some of my pards and I jokingly refer to my version of Drury as "Two-Way Double Reverse Flannery Bergen Ogust Drury".

In brief:

2♣ = any four card constructive+ raise of opener's major. Opener's return to 2major="I'm not interested in game opposite a constructive raise". Any bid by responder is natural-ish and indicates that he has the limit raise four-card holding.

2♦ = a THREE card limit raise

This is pretty much backwards from the way most (whether playing Precision or not) tend to play Two-Way Drury (where 2♦ is the four card limit raise). My reasoning: When playing against or kibitzing those who play Two-Way Drury the more common way, I have never seen an auction which unfolds as:

P--1♠
2♦--2♠

It just never happens. If 3rd seat opener finds out that there is a four card limit raise sitting opposite, he ALWAYS bids a game. If so, we might as well show a 3-card limit raise with the 2♦ call, and keep the lower ranking 2♣ call open to have a little more room to describe various kinds of hands with four card support.

[straube]

SteelWheel, on 2012-December-20, 04:45, said:

I've tried to convince ACBL TDs that playing 2♣/2♦ as artificial relay bids in response to 1st & 2nd seat openings of 1 of a major are totally kosher--really! We're merely playing "Two-Way Non-Fit Drury by an Unpassed Hand". Doesn't usually work, but worth a try..

More seriously: Drury is very much still worth playing even in a Precision context, especially if you tend to open good quality, lead-directional four-card majors in 3rd & 4th seat--something I do fairly often.

Some of my pards and I jokingly refer to my version of Drury as "Two-Way Double Reverse Flannery Bergen Ogust Drury".

In brief:

2♣ = any four card constructive+ raise of opener's major. Opener's return to 2major="I'm not interested in game opposite a constructive raise". Any bid by responder is natural-ish and indicates that he has the limit raise four-card holding.

2♦ = a THREE card limit raise

This is pretty much backwards from the way most (whether playing Precision or not) tend to play Two-Way Drury (where 2♦ is the four card limit raise). My reasoning: When playing against or kibitzing those who play Two-Way Drury the more common way, I have never seen an auction which unfolds as:

P--1♠
2♦--2♠

It just never happens. If 3rd seat opener finds out that there is a four card limit raise sitting opposite, he ALWAYS bids a game. If so, we might as well show a 3-card limit raise with the 2♦ call, and keep the lower ranking 2♣ call open to have a little more room to describe various kinds of hands with four card support.

If he always bids a game, then why not use 2N as your 4-cd limit raise and save 2D to show the minor. You still have lots of room to describe the nature of the 4-cd limit raise if slam is in the offing.

[blackshoe]

SteelWheel, on 2012-December-20, 04:45, said:

Some of my pards and I jokingly refer to my version of Drury as "Two-Way Double Reverse Flannery Bergen Ogust Drury".

An expert friend of mine taught me that, or something very similar, some years ago. I asked him what it was called, he didn't know. So I came up with "Reverse Two-way Reverse Drury". I think I like yours better.

[dcohio]

My partner and I use this, we came up with this to be able to show shortness by either opener or responder

1M
-2C: Limit Raise with 3 or 4 trump
----2D: Full opener, asks for more info
------2M: 3 trump, no shortness
--------OM/3C/3D: opener's short suit game try
-----------3M: Responder's hand does not fit well with opener's shortness
-----------4M: Responder's hand fits well with opener's shortness
------3M: 4 trump, no shortness, not 4333 shape
------2NT: 4 trump, 4333 shape
------2OM/3C/3D: 3 trump, shortness in OM/C/D
------3OM/4C/4D: 4 trump, shortness in OM/C/D
----2M: substandard opening, sign off (can be raised to 3 by hand with 4 trump)
----2OM/3C/3D: 5+ card side suit, 5 or fewer losers, slam interest
----3M: full opener, no shortness, slam interest, asks for immediate control bids
----3OM/4C/4D: shortness, 5 or fewer losers, slam interest
----4M: full opener, but no slam interest

After opener bids a 2nd suit or shows shortness, a return to the Trump suit by responder shows no interest in slam. With interest, responder bids their cheapest 1st or 2nd round control.