[MickyB]

We open most 10-counts with a five-card major.

Options now -

2S = preference, 5-10 or so
2N = GF, partner will pattern out
3C = 6+D INV+
3S [forcing]
4H or 4S

How will you continue over partner's likely rebids, assuming you don't find an 8-card major fit?

Alternatively, should I have treated it as a balanced invite, bidding 1NT then 2NT?

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This post has been edited by MickyB: 2013-January-19, 18:35

[mike777]

Congrats to you and your teammates for staying close in what seems to have been a tough match with tough hands.

I dont think this is a gf hand so it looks like my only option is 3c given pard can often have 10-11 here.

[MickyB]

 mike777, on 2013-January-19, 18:08, said:

Congrats to you and your teammates for staying close in what seems to have been a tough match with tough hands.

I dont think this is a gf hand so it looks like my only option is 3c given pard can often have 10-11 here.

Thanks

Ok, partner accepts the invite with 3NT. Are you done?

[mike777]

 MickyB, on 2013-January-19, 18:12, said:

Thanks

Ok, partner accepts the invite with 3NT. Are you done?

oh ya...done.

[PhilKing]

Can I not bid 2♠?

[MickyB]

Yup ok, I'll add that to OP

[PhilKing]

 MickyB, on 2013-January-19, 18:32, said:

Yup ok, I'll add that to OP

Well I'm not bidding 2♠ if it is 5-10.

Guess I'll relay and then guess a game. This transfer response is way overloaded.

[MickyB]

 PhilKing, on 2013-January-19, 18:41, said:

This transfer response is way overloaded.

In what positions are we behind standard methods and/or responding a forcing NT with 1S:1N, 2C:2D as ART? I can't see many. We don't respond 2C on 5D4C 8-11 because 1NT allows us to find a fit in either minor.

[JLOGIC]

I would just go 1N then 2N. I view my hand as invitational, and from what I can tell if I start with 2C I have to invite in diamonds which I think is a worse description than inviting in NT.

[PhilKing]

 MickyB, on 2013-January-19, 18:50, said:

In what positions are we behind standard methods and/or responding a forcing NT with 1S:1N, 2C:2D as ART? I can't see many. We don't respond 2C on 5D4C 8-11 because 1NT allows us to find a fit in either minor.

Never said you were behind standard!

If you take out the crappy diamonds and preference hand, you can use 2♠ to show a hand like this. That leaves your non GF options as: long diamonds any range and 5-6 diamonds flexible hand, suit oriented circa 11 points.

When I experimented with this, I had opener bidding 2♦ on minimums with no fit, so 2♥/♠ would show at least a good 14.

[MickyB]

I started off with 1S:2C, 2H showing extras, but that left some hands very poorly catered to. After 1S:1N, 2C [1N forcing, 2C = clubs/weak NT/some 16-18 hands], 1354 5-7 would play 2S on the 5-1 fit, and 1453 would be playing in either 2S on a 5-1 or 3C on a 4-3. Obviously 6D4H with responder would land up a level higher too, and we'd basically lose the option to respond 2C with 5-5 in the reds when appropriate [IMPs - minimum responding hand or poor hearts]. I don't think we as badly placed after 1S:2C, 2H as you make out so I think it's worth it.

I'm not sure I like responding 1NT really. 2N [as opposed to 3D or 3N] when partner has 11-12 flat sounds horrible, especially from my side, and I'm not sure 1S:1N, 2H:2N is great either.

2N GF gets 3C [5413/5404] from partner, what are your thoughts on the best game now?

[mike777]

It seems my 3c over pards 2h has placed 3nt from pards side of the table and I will pass.

Hopefully:

AQxxx...AQxx..void....Axxx?


but even this has chances:

AQxxx..AQxx..void....QTxx
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I liked the suggested auction of:

1s=1nt
2h=2nt
etc