[jillybean]

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We are not in a FP here, we would be if opps were W vs. R.
I should have left it.

[JLOGIC]

Doubling is really bad. What tricks did you expect to take? Even if you have a spade and a club that is only 2 tricks, and that is being optimistic (you might have neither trick!).

In general, only double red/white opps if you have them beat in your hand, meaning you have tricks in their suits (trumps or their side suit, in this case diamonds). This is especially true opposite a partner who has just preempted.

[paulg]

jillybean, on 2013-February-23, 20:46, said:

We are not in a FP here, we would be if opps were W vs. R.

I know that you will not generally be sacrificing at unfavourable vulnerability, but I don't think a direct raise of a weak jump overcall should ever create a forcing pass situation. If you want to create a FP, then you should have to cue bid on the way to establish it.

[Codo]

Be happy that they just are in game and not in slam.

[jillybean]

paulg, on 2013-February-24, 02:07, said:

I know that you will not generally be sacrificing at unfavourable vulnerability, but I don't think a direct raise of a weak jump overcall should ever create a forcing pass situation. If you want to create a FP, then you should have to cue bid on the way to establish it.

You are right, I was wrong on what were FP auctions. We use Neil Kimelman's FP rules;

1. When your partnership has made a bid that has created a game forcing auction, the opponents cannot play a contract undoubled.
1S (P) 2H (5D)


2. Besides hands where the partnership is in a game forcing auction, forcing pass also applies when one hand opens and the other hand shows at least invitational values.
1S (P) 3D* (5D)

3) When your partnership bids game, and you are vulnerable versus nonvulnerable opponents.

V vs. NV (P) 1S (2H) 2S (4H) 4S (5H) ?

My partners and I play this is a forcing pass situation. At any other vulnerability it is not. This to me is a reasonable treatment, but may not be universal. The logic behind this agreement is that we should have extra values to bid game with a risk of being doubled for -200, -500 or more, versus 420 for the opponents.

4) When the opponents preempt and your partnership bids game.
1H (3S) 4H (4S)