what is your plan when 3 ♦ comes back?
opps unfavourable at the 3 level.
#2
Posted 2013-March-27, 02:55
#3
Posted 2013-March-27, 03:40
Anyway, it may have worked out well. I'd double 3♣, because we should be able to take it apart by forcing the long hand. It doesn't seem very likely that they'll pull this - RHO could have passed 2NTx with equal length - but if they do I'll accept partner's double. If they run and partner doesn't double 3♦, I'll bid 4♠.
#4
Posted 2013-March-27, 05:28
gnasher, on 2013-March-27, 03:40, said:
Anyway, it may have worked out well. I'd double 3♣, because we should be able to take it apart by forcing the long hand. It doesn't seem very likely that they'll pull this - RHO could have passed 2NTx with equal length - but if they do I'll accept partner's double. If they run and partner doesn't double 3♦, I'll bid 4♠.
I suppose 2NT might have been the red suits. But I agree that our hand is very nice...obviously double now and 3H sounds like the ticket
#5
Posted 2013-March-27, 08:33
gnasher, on 2013-March-27, 03:40, said:
Anyway, it may have worked out well. I'd double 3♣, because we should be able to take it apart by forcing the long hand. It doesn't seem very likely that they'll pull this - RHO could have passed 2NTx with equal length - but if they do I'll accept partner's double. If they run and partner doesn't double 3♦, I'll bid 4♠.
Andy, you missed the explanation of 2N. I would give long odds that LHO is pulling the double, because it has to be 90%+ that he has the reds. And I am not defending 3♦ if LHO bids it, partner doubles, and rho passes. I have the worst possible red suit holding given that rho's pass would show preference for diamonds over hearts.
#6
Posted 2013-March-27, 09:00
helene_t, on 2013-March-27, 02:55, said:
IMO, like others, I surely would have shown an invite the first time, not some mere constructive raise. But, how does partner cooperating by doubling 3♦ make my hand a game try now when I didn't consider it to be one before?
#7
Posted 2013-March-27, 09:15
Also, by bidding game now, you do not allow East to find out his partner holds the reds.
#8
Posted 2013-March-27, 16:12
PhilKing, on 2013-March-27, 09:15, said:
Also, by bidding game now, you do not allow East to find out his partner holds the reds.
Yes that's an excellent point. I overlooked that partner had shown something extra and we might elicit an "agressive" club lead which gains us a trick....I mean if it's teams I can't possibly imagine not playing game here
#9
Posted 2013-March-27, 18:06
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#10
Posted 2013-March-27, 18:34
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#11
Posted 2013-March-28, 05:25
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#12
Posted 2013-March-28, 14:02
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#13
Posted 2013-March-28, 15:27
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#14
Posted 2013-March-29, 05:35
lalldonn, on 2013-March-28, 15:27, said:
There is no "if", although it could go for 800 if lefty is a psycho. Don't get me wrong - I'm quite tempted to double 3♣ and sit for 3♦, but I have decided not to because my hand is outside of my range. I am never doubling 3♣ and then pulling 3♦ though for the reason below.
But maybe they will get to 3♣X or 3♥X so why not give them a chance first? I just don't see the point of bidding game now. What's the rush?
The rush is that 4♠ may hinge on the lead. If we double 3♣ and pull 3♦x to 4♠, you have just given them a road map to a heart. Whilst it's possible that righty is 4522, and lefty 0355, I'm not buying it. We ain't defending 3♣ doubled and I don't really see how we are going to get to defend 3♥x. They have at least an eight card fit, presumably in diamonds, but I am the only person at the table privy to that information. I would rather keep it that way until they have let 4♠ through on the opening lead, and if the happens one time in ten, I am happy.
Will the R/W opponents be able to successfully bid 5 of something on a hand they would have passed had we bid 4♠? That sounds extremely farfetched to me, in fact I think I'm being kind.
Kind to whom? Noone mentioned 5♦x, which is obviously very unlikely.
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#15
Posted 2013-March-29, 08:39
I also think you underestimate the chances that they are in big trouble. They don't always find their best fit on these auctions. They may even be in the middle of a major misunderstanding leading to a disaster, rho making the same bid he would have made without partner's double, lho thinking this shows a genuine club suit and passing with the red suits. Or maybe 3C does show a genuine suit but lho doesn't pass with his 2551 and his partner is 2227. There are a lot of ways they can be in big trouble here.
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