[the hog]

"3NT looks some rash! "

And the cue bid asks for a S stopper, so that looks even more pointless to me.

[fred]

My regular partner (Brad Moss) and I use a cuebid here to show a strong 1-suiter hand (any suit). Partner's first priority is to bid notrump with a stopper, but the hand that cuebids doesn't have to be looking for a stopper - he might just use the cuebid in order to establish a force on some very strong hand for which a DBL doesn't rate to work out (like this hand).

Using this treatment, this hand can cuebid 3S and then bid clubs next.

Without this treatment you have a truly impossible problem. I don't think I would double - I would bid some number of clubs, but not sure how many. 6C (which is not one of the answers in the poll) is not unreasonable in my view.

A principle that has served me well:

When the opponents preempt you can play your partner for one useful high card and a moderate fit for your long suit.

Most hands for partner for which this principle applies yield at least some play for 6C (which is why I think 6C is a reasonable guess of this hand). Anyone who thinks that they are going to have a scientific auction in which they can bid the right final contract with confidence is dreaming.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Chamaco]

Winstonm, on Jan 13 2005, 01:53 AM, said:

We don't preempt over a preempt; any jump bid shows a very good hand.  Therefore, I am a 5C bidder; this bid is to make; It is not a sign off bid; partner can still raise to 6 clubs with x, Axxxx, Qxxx, Kxx or the like.

Agree on your evaluation of the situiation, Winston:
but I simply think that our hand is so good that it needs MUCH less than
x -Axxxx - Qxxx - Kxx

to make 6C.

So, cuebid and then bid clubs would show a hand even stronger than a direct leap to 5C, and is IMO a better call here :-)

[han]

Chamaco, on Jan 13 2005, 03:53 AM, said:

Agree on your evaluation of the situiation, Winston:
but I simply think that our hand is so good that it needs MUCH less than
x -Axxxx - Qxxx - Kxx

to make 6C.

Agree, I think I'd like to be in 7 opposite that hand!

[arrows]

I would bid 3♠, whatever parnter takes it is, I hope he could describe
something about his hand; Then I make a guess (hopefully educated one by now)
on bidding some number of clubs.

[mikestar]

I like Fred's thinking here. A jump to 6C experesses the value of the hand well and may turn out OK when partner has nothing and there is no play for it--opponents may well save and be down one more than they would have if they saved against 5C.

[Fluffy]

Don't think opponents will save without fit against a long unpredictable shot.

[Winstonm]

[QUOTE] junyi zhu: it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C.

On similar question on another thread you doubled with x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx. Now you are doubling with AKQ2 void A5 AQ87542. If you convert both hands to 5 clubs over 4 hearts, how will partner know how much to play you for? One is a 5-loser hand; this is a 2-loser hand.

WinstonM

[Chamaco]

Winstonm, on Jan 15 2005, 01:09 AM, said:

Quote

junyi zhu: it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C.

On similar question on another thread you doubled with x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx. Now you are doubling with AKQ2 void A5 AQ87542. If you convert both hands to 5 clubs over 4 hearts, how will partner know how much to play you for? One is a 5-loser hand; this is a 2-loser hand.

WinstonM

Agree with Winston: this is the reason why with the original hand of this post (AKQ2 - void - A5 - AQ87542) I like using cuebid + new suit (assuming the cue is not for a 2-suiter), to show a greater playing strength than double + new suit (which I would instead use holding a 4 loser hand like the one of the other post, namely:x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx).

[junyi_zhu]

[quote name='Winstonm' date='Jan 15 2005, 01:09 AM'] [QUOTE] junyi zhu: it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C.

On similar question on another thread you doubled with x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx. Now you are doubling with AKQ2 void A5 AQ87542. If you convert both hands to 5 clubs over 4 hearts, how will partner know how much to play you for? One is a 5-loser hand; this is a 2-loser hand.

WinstonM [/QUOTE]
First x xx AKxx AKQxxx has 4 losers, not five losers. Second, if you don't feel 5C is good enough, you can bid 6C, however, I'd just bid 5C over 4H because I know it's a misfit hand, partner's possible Heart honor are useless if I play 5C. Also, you really need a reasonable club fit from partner to make 6C, otherwise, you still have a club loser. So it's really a matter of hand evaluation I believe and partner would raise your 5C to 6C if he has both HAK and CK.

Let me give you Sxx HAKxxxx Dxxx Cxx for a 4H bid, now you see that the first hand, Sx Hxx DAKxx CAKQxxx has a much better play in 5C then SAKQx H- DAx CAQxxxxx. Loser count calculation and hand evaluation is really a dynamic thing, and original loser count may change a lot when you discover more information of partner's hand.

Last, I have changed my mind on Sx Hxx DAKxx CAKQxxx, I'd bid 3S to show both minors now.

Well, why do we waste so much time on this hand? We don't have to know the exact scientific way to bid this hand to win a world championship.