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#1 User is offline   shnk 

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Posted 2013-July-22, 22:52

1) (1) - 1 - (P) - ?
The overcall shows 9-17 always with a 5+ card suit.
What is 1S here in terms of spade length and strength? Is it forcing? Does it deny heart support?
If 2D is a heart raise here, what kind of strength does it show?
How about 2C?

2) (1) - 2 - (P) - ?
What is 2H here in terms of heart length and strength?
What is 2S here?
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Posted 2013-July-22, 23:30

1. 1 and 2 are natural. You can play them as forcing; then the 2 cuebid can promise heart support. If you play 1 and 2 as non-forcing but constructive, then the cuebid will occasionally have to be used for GF hands without heart support. But you will still usually have support and your range is 10+ points.

Neither new-suit bid promises or denies heart support. Many people play jumps in new suits as showing that suit and also promising support.

2. 2 should be 5 hearts and 10+ points; it is a one-round force. 2 can be a little weaker than your normal raise to 2.
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Posted 2013-July-23, 01:43

1. I would play 1 as forcing 4+ spaders , it will overload the cue, if I have to bid all forcing bids with 2 . I would play 2 as forcing too, but I have no strong feelings about this bid.

2. 2 5+ forcing
2 depends on your overall system. As the most likely game after this start is 3 NT, I would use it as asking for strength and stopper. But taste differs.
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Posted 2013-July-23, 09:26

View PostCodo, on 2013-July-23, 01:43, said:

2 depends on your overall system. As the most likely game after this start is 3 NT, I would use it as asking for strength and stopper. But taste differs.


Oh right, LOL I misread the OP and thought that partner had opened 1. The general meaning of cuebids like this is showing a good hand and asking partner for further description.
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Posted 2013-July-23, 22:34

View Postshnk, on 2013-July-22, 22:52, said:

1) (1) - 1 - (P) - ?

2) (1) - 2 - (P) - ?


A) (Auction 1) AQxx/xx/xxxx/Jxx, do I have enough stuff to bid a forcing 1S?
If not how much more stuff do I need?

B) (Auction 2) xxx/AKxx/KQxx/xx, my bid?
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Posted 2013-July-24, 03:53

A I would bid. Even if you have a system where partner is quite limited, so that game is unlikely, you may improve the contract or shut down opps.

B depends: If 2 is game forcing, I would just bid 3 . But my partner know that they should not bid without a reason, so they won't show up with a mediocre 5 card suit.
If 2 is just invitational, I would use it and pass 2 NT, 3 , but bid on after higher bids.
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Posted 2013-July-24, 05:39

Hi,

#1 Playing 1S as forcing is quite common, so is nonforcing, but constructive
The main difference is, that a forcing 1S bid, can be based on a 4 carder.
To a certain degree, it does not really matter, most nonforcing 1S bids, will
also be make the forcing 1S bid.

#2 Again 2H could be forcing / nonforcing, but my guess is, that nonforcing is more
common, even if you played 1S in #1 as forcing.
A 2H bid will always promise 5+ cards.

if 2H is nonforcing, the cue will be inv.+ including gamegoing hands with an own
suit, if 2H is forcing, the gamegoing hands with an own suit will show the suit direct.

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Posted 2013-July-24, 06:06

1) I think 2 has to be nonforcing, say 9-14 points. If it's forcing then you will get often get too high with 9 opposite 9 points. This means that a stronger hand with clubs has to bid either 2 or 3 (always the latter if you want the cuebid to promise support). 1 I prefer to be nonforcing also but I don't feel strongly about it.
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Posted 2013-July-29, 08:02

After an overcall, the default for a new suit in most places is natural and forcing. There are many who play this differently though so it is something to discuss with a regular partner. The minimum strength for a forcing new suit is to have serious game interest opposite a maximum. For a typical overcall range this is somewhere around a good 8 or better.

If you do play new suits as natural and forcing then bidding the opponents' suit (cue bid) instead is a good raise of partner's suit. The strength should be ~10+ support points. If your new suits are non-forcing then it is not uncommon to play this cue bid as a general force that includes some hands without support.

On your two sample hands I would pass 1 in auction 1A and bid 2 in auction 2B given the above style. That said, 9-17 is quite high (6-16 seems more normal to me) so A could easily be worth a 1 advance opposite your partner.
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