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Where do we put the brakes on? ATB getting to slam

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Posted 2013-July-31, 02:57

My auction:
1♣-1♥ (3+♣ ; Walsh)
3♦-3♠ (around 15-17 with single/void ♦ ; light slam interest)
4♥-pass (no thanks)
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Posted 2013-July-31, 03:39

 Hanoi5, on 2013-July-30, 15:46, said:

When Hearts are responder's suit the mini-splinter can only be done in Diamonds (or clubs if the opening bid was 1♦). When the suit is Spades both splinters can be shown, am I right?

1S is forcing for us. 2S also mini splinter.
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Posted 2013-July-31, 13:16

 Free, on 2013-July-31, 02:57, said:

My auction:
1♣-1♥ (3+♣ ; Walsh)



Imo you are mistaken about 'walsh' convention or you are playing a custom made toy and calling it 'walsh" Perhaps you are opening way too light and 15 hcp by responder is not enough for GF ?

In which version of walsh, responder skips the ♦ suit and starts with major, holding 4-4 in reds, with a crystal clear GF hand ?

http://en.wikipedia....alsh_convention




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Posted 2013-July-31, 13:36

 MrAce, on 2013-July-31, 13:16, said:

Imo you are mistaken about 'walsh' convention or you are playing a custom made toy and calling it 'walsh" Perhaps you are opening way too light and 15 hcp by responder is not enough for GF ?

In which version of walsh, responder skips the ♦ suit and starts with major, holding 4-4 in reds, with a crystal clear GF hand ?

http://en.wikipedia....alsh_convention



ya wiki is wrong..

It is very common to bypass 1d with 4-4 and gf hand playing walsh.

so if the bidding goes:

1c=1d
1nt=2h

you promise 5d and 4h.

granted there is more than one version of walsh played.
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Posted 2013-July-31, 13:41

 mike777, on 2013-July-31, 13:36, said:

ya wiki is wrong..

It is very common to bypass 1d with 4-4 and gf hand playing walsh.

so if the bidding goes:

1c=1d
1nt=2h

you promise 5d and 4h.

granted there is more than one version of walsh played.

I assume you are speaking of opener.

With game forcing values, responder can afford to bid 1♦. It is with less than game forcing values that responder bypasses 1♦ to bid his major suit(s).

Opener, with major suit(s) and a balanced hand, can afford to bypass his majors and rebid 1NT after a 1♦ response, knowing that responder either has no 4-card major or has game forcing values and will bid his major over 1NT.
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Posted 2013-July-31, 13:46

again many play it shows 5-4gf not 4-4gf by responder this is quite common but as I said in my post different versions exist.

yes that means with 4-4 and gf responder will still skip over the d suit and may lose the suit. Again this is to find the major fit at a low level and show 5-4 at a low levelat the cost of not finding the 4-4 d fit at times.

you may or may not still find your d fit via checkback depending on the the auction goes so we don't worry about losing the d fit in favor of showing 5-4:

1c=1h
1nt=2d(gf cb)
3d

or
1c=1h
2c=2d(artgf)
3d
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Posted 2013-August-01, 03:55

 MrAce, on 2013-July-31, 13:16, said:

Imo you are mistaken about 'walsh' convention or you are playing a custom made toy and calling it 'walsh" Perhaps you are opening way too light and 15 hcp by responder is not enough for GF ?

In which version of walsh, responder skips the ♦ suit and starts with major, holding 4-4 in reds, with a crystal clear GF hand ?

http://en.wikipedia....alsh_convention

You're right ofcourse, I saw one T-Walsh auction too many and I forgot about the 4 card ♦ suit...
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Posted 2013-August-01, 06:29

 TWO4BRIDGE, on 2013-July-29, 14:55, said:

If East is willing to go to the 3-level on his rebid, he might as well make a more descriptive bid of a 3D! reverse-splinter ( some refer to it as a mini-splinter ) for ♥ .
If West considers his ♦ holding as negative for slam, he might just sign-off in 4H .

hmmm....never heard it referred to as a "Reverse-Splinter" --- "Mini-Splinter" or...A "Jump-Reverse" maybe. Will need to add this to my bridge lexicon. :)
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Posted 2013-August-02, 07:45

 masse24, on 2013-August-01, 06:29, said:

hmmm....never heard it referred to as a "Reverse-Splinter" --- "Mini-Splinter" or...A "Jump-Reverse" maybe. Will need to add this to my bridge lexicon. :)

I meant Jump-Reverse..... or Reverse-Jump ...

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Here is a recent example in the I & A forum:

http://www.bridgebas...c/61552-1c1h3d/

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