[wanoff]

West is at least 4-4

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Scoring is mostly 'Point a board' (partly imp)
Do you bid now? Should you have bid before?

[PhilKing]

4♠ - must be unanimous!

[Fluffy]

my partner would take this 4♠ bid as more diamond tolerance, like 6-3. This is a minor issue, but some undesired corrections are bound to happen.

May I inquiry a bit about the 2♦ bid? 1♥ looks very normal with 4 hearts and a strong hand.

[PhilKing]

Fluffy, on 2013-August-04, 06:33, said:

my partner would take this 4♠ bid as more diamond tolerance, like 6-3.

That is irrelevant, because partner is marked with 3 or 4 spades.

I expect the cue bidder to be 4-5 in the rounded suits, and opener may well be as well (if he is 4-4, he would tend to find a 2NT rebid unless very concentrated), so that makes pard likely 2-2 in the round suits.

[Fluffy]

he cannot have 0274?

[dake50]

May I inquiry a bit about the 2♦ bid? 1♥ looks very normal with 4 hearts and a strong hand.

*** Exactly. Why no negX? Q-bid raise of clubs? Very strong force? Why not 1H?
I would have bid 2S over 2D as Q-bid raise or very strong force,
in a quandary if it has another meaning.
Now I'm seeing they have a C+H double fit.
I try 4S, fearing this bounces them into 6H/6C making.
Are they able to see S-control + D-short with their 4xH +5XC +2xS +D-ruff?
I'm sorry I blabbed if they do.

[PhilKing]

Fluffy, on 2013-August-04, 07:05, said:

he cannot have 0274?

That would be pretty bizarre on so many levels.

[Fluffy]

Obviously it would be odd, but my point is, if I can construct a hand with void, constructing hands with 1 or 2 shouldn't be complicated. And I would rule out partner with 4 spades given his failure to bid them over 2♥. Unless they are very weak 4, but I have a strong feeling that he won't have that

[PhilKing]

Fluffy, on 2013-August-04, 07:31, said:

Obviously it would be odd, but my point is, if I can construct a hand with void, constructing hands with 1 or 2 shouldn't be complicated. And I would rule out partner with 4 spades given his failure to bid them over 2♥. Unless they are very weak 4, but I have a strong feeling that he won't have that

TBH I have no idea why I said pard has 4 spades.

[wanoff]

Fluffy, on 2013-August-04, 06:33, said:

my partner would take this 4♠ bid as more diamond tolerance, like 6-3. This is a minor issue, but some undesired corrections are bound to happen.

May I inquiry a bit about the 2♦ bid? 1♥ looks very normal with 4 hearts and a strong hand.

I can't speak for the oppo but I think it replaced what would have been an inverted 2♣ in an uncontested auction.

[Fluffy]

Ok so lets count losers, aproximately 2 spades, 2 hearts, 0.5 diamonds, 0.75 clubs for 5.25 total. Sounds like a good investment, unless partner has 2 aces and 4 clubs (to be able to read the lead), because then 4♥ is down from the start. 5♦ would probably be 500 only also, so it is all worth it unless they go down.

I really want to be sure that they have 8 hearts, if it smells like they are in the 4-3 fit pass ASAP. But otherwise I would bid 4♠. The big win comes if they bid 5♥.

[benlessard]

I would have bid 2S on 1st turn.

Opening--overcall--limit raise-- and we are W vs Vul. I even think ive got some extras for my 2S.

[JLOGIC]

I woulda just bid 3S on the first turn to avoid this kind of problem. My partner knows I'm clownin when I'm w/r and they've shown an opener and a LR lol.

Now I think we have to bid 4S.

[gszes]

what did 2d mean? maybe it wasn't a limit plus raise for clubs (I prefer
inverted minors on always for ex:)

[Free]

I'll pass. We have good chances to beat 4♥, especially if partner would happen to have long ♣ and leads them to give us one or more ruffs.

[MrAce]

Tbh i would just pass this hand all the way to the end,

[lycier]

It is a worth-less for overcall 4♠ due to very bad hand with 3 card ♥,my choice is pass.

[wanoff]

To those like me that bid 4♠, partner doesn't have AQx xx AKxxxx xx which would mean that both games might be making.
Worse than that, their trump finesse is losing so 4♥ can be beaten, though it wasn't at 18/28 tables. But it was beaten at our other table

The full hand:

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[benlessard]

IMO 4H-1 should be a normal result here. South had the chance to bid spades, north can afford to lead a top D instead of the stiff S and The club switch isnt hard to find.

So its the "always lead singleton" group that were the losers here.