[sathyab]

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[caikq898]

I like pass，Let pd to judge。

[CamHenry]

Unfavourable at pairs? If we can take 200 we're looking at a good score on this board. What do we need to take 200? I can see one spade trick (S plausibly has a singleton), one diamond trick, and a likely trump trick (if partner's singleton is an honour). Without defensive help from partner, 3♥ is making; if he has something like KQxxx/x/Kxx/xxxx, we've got good play for 3♠.

Since I have no reason to believe we should either be playing the hand or doubling, I'll let partner decide. I'd probably rather have shown my diamond suit earlier: what would 2♦ have meant over the double of 1♠?

[bigbenvic]

I think there is likely to be only 16 total trumps on the hand, perhaps there's a double fit to make 17 but 16 'feels' right to me.

I'm not bidding 3 over 3 so the question for me is pass or double?

It would depend on the style of overcalls that we use. If we are the solid 11hcp old school style then I am happy to double this with 4 trumps 2 aces and a shortage, otherwise I think I'll pass.

[PhilKing]

I'm prepared to break the law here. 3♠.

[Codo]

pass, closer to double then to 3 ♠- but I do know the dreck my partners bid at this vul.

[PhilKing]

Codo, on 2013-August-15, 06:03, said:

pass, closer to double then to 3 ♠- but I do know the dreck my partners bid at this vul.

At red?

[gnasher]

PhilKing, on 2013-August-15, 03:07, said:

I'm prepared to break the law here. 3♠.

I think that's right. Pass involves partner, but it doesn't involve him in the right decision. Looking at a singleton heart and few aces, he will think his options are pass and 3♠, whereas we really want him to choose between double and 3♠. I'd expect to make 140 opposite KQxxx x xxx Kxxx, and he should have a bit more than that because of his (presumably encouraging) pass over 2♥, and also because neither opponent made a game-try.

[billw55]

Tough one.

I understand the idea to let partner decide. But he doesn't know some important things: how control rich my hand is, or whether diamond or club values are better. How will he be able to judge what to do? If he had a 6th spade I think he would have bid again already.

I don't like doubling. I would guess that if we beat 3♥ one (+100), we could probably make 3♠ (+140), meanwhile risking a near zero if they make.

So I will roll the dice with bidding. We do have the magic shortness-opposite-spot-cards layout in hearts, suggesting extra offensive potential. And, other things being equal, I would rather take my lumps bidding than passing.

[mcphee]

The hand is quite good to continue to compete. We cue bid to show a good raise, I double now to tell partner I am still interested, if they pass I am delighted. The hand which over called passed 2H, is that supposed to mean they have a poor S call or does it express interest in further bidding? For me it means they have more interest, or they would simply bid 2S.

[sathyab]

gnasher, on 2013-August-15, 06:33, said:

I think that's right. Pass involves partner, but it doesn't involve him in the right decision. Looking at a singleton heart and few aces, he will think his options are pass and 3♠, whereas we really want him to choose between double and 3♠. I'd expect to make 140 opposite KQxxx x xxx Kxxx, and he should have a bit more than that because of his (presumably encouraging) pass over 2♥, and also because neither opponent made a game-try.

Would it change your vote if partner had bid 2♠ over 2♥ instead of passing ?

[gnasher]

sathyab, on 2013-August-15, 11:07, said:

Would it change your vote if partner had bid 2♠ over 2♥ instead of passing ?

No, because the example I gave of KQxxx x xxx Kxxx is a 2♠ bid anyway, and I don't think he's likely to have less than that - I've already given the opponents a combined 23-count.

[ggwhiz]

We play an aggressive bump and run style and pards pass over 2♥ just shows a minimum. A chunky 4-card spade suit with a modest club stack isn't out of the question and neither is a 3♠ bid or double from pard next which would show a good club stack and I can pull if I must.

Why am I guessing in front of her? She gets more of these right than wrong by a LOT.

If pard had bid 2♠ instead of pass I'm safely upgrading my stiff club, perhaps to a game try in diamonds if I have room.

KQxxx, x, Kxx, xxxx is about what I'm expecting for a 2♠ bid and a flaw, usually club waste for the pass.

[gszes]

3S

for starters I would have bid 3s over 2h p p. This is a virtual miracle hand
and only the lack of a 4th spade keeps me out of game. I suppose a certain
amount of throttling back if your p is constantly making "lead director"
overcalls at unfavorable but even then the weakest of the weak will have
great play for 3s and maybe even 4s. The decision does not even appear to
be close to me.

[ggwhiz]

gszes, on 2013-August-15, 13:33, said:

for starters I would have bid 3s over 2h p p.

Cuebid by an unpassed hand AND a jump? It's a pinochle deck.

[billw55]

ggwhiz, on 2013-August-15, 13:23, said:

KQxxx, x, Kxx, xxxx is about what I'm expecting for a 2♠ bid and a flaw, usually club waste for the pass.

How can partner tell that club values are wasted? Or that diamond values are not?

[ggwhiz]

billw55, on 2013-August-15, 15:09, said:

How can partner tell that club values are wasted? Or that diamond values are not?

They can't but they can show the flavor of their hand as offence vs defence with the club bid on their right.

[sathyab]

OK, this was the whole hand.

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This hand was written up by Barry Rigal in an article titled "Oh, That Was Easy" in
http://www.acbl.org/...lletins/db2.pdf

I was the one who overcalled 1♠ as East, presenting my partner a problem. We hadn't had time to discuss what 2♠ would mean over 2♥, so I passed hoping the auction would tell my partner I had a light overcall.

I thought South judged the hand really well to not try for game given the amount of competitive bidding, thereby causing partner to assume I had a stronger hand. I normally don't make frivolous overcalls. But the spots and the shape made me do it

In our sections with a 50 Top, 3♥ down 1 was 17 MP, 3♥ down 1 X'ed was 34 MP. 3♠ making was not 50 MP, but pretty close may be 47, as there were two 870's but no 730's ! -200 was worth 3 MP. Where there was no bidding by E-W, quite a few N-S got overboard and reached 4♥.

Let the ATBs begin

[MrAce]

Imo your pd should bid 3♠

He has a stiff in one of their suit, and he knows you have a stiff in their other suit. And seems like their trumps (hearts) and your trumps (spades) have purity. Even if you apply LOTT it upgrades to 17 total trumps, i think that is what Philking tried to say.

I mean you can think that i am resulting, but there are people who posted similar things b4 the full hand was posted. at least they got it right.