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Posted 2013-August-14, 08:08



Pairs.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 08:14

Pass
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Posted 2013-August-14, 08:31

Looks similar to this thread.

Still 4♠ for me.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 08:39

Yes. Easy 4♠. Which means it's bound to be wrong here. :P
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Posted 2013-August-14, 08:50

View Postbillw55, on 2013-August-14, 08:31, said:

Looks similar to this thread.

Still 4♠ for me.


I think QT9x / xx / xx / KTxxx is a far easier 4S than this, which is flat and defensive. Do we think that our stiff heart is a ruffing value?

edit: that problem was also R/W teams, rather than R/R pairs...

View Postbroze, on 2013-August-14, 08:39, said:

Yes. Easy 4♠. Which means it's bound to be wrong here. :P


Well, I passed at the table, but without getting into the results, I polled a lot of people and found 4S to be pretty standard. But I think a lot of time the population at large diverges from the forum at large. Like I have it in my head that MrAce is going to pass, for example :) So I was just curious. If he bids 4S, though, I will admit complete defeat.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 09:32

View Postwyman, on 2013-August-14, 08:50, said:

I think QT9x / xx / xx / KTxxx is a far easier 4S than this, which is flat and defensive. Do we think that our stiff heart is a ruffing value?

edit: that problem was also R/W teams, rather than R/R pairs...

I didn't say it was identical. Just that it is similar enough for my answer to be the same.

As to defense, both hands have one king and one queen. Partner made a takeout double (not overcall), so I don't auto-assume the ♣Q is better than the ♠Q on defense.

And sure, why shouldn't the stiff heart be a ruffing value? Do your ops always have 11 trumps on this auction?
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Posted 2013-August-14, 09:45

View Postbillw55, on 2013-August-14, 09:32, said:

As to defense, both hands have one king and one queen. Partner made a takeout double (not overcall), so I don't auto-assume the ♣Q is better than the ♠Q on defense.


Kxxx is more defensive than Kxxxx when partner's made a TOX, though, no?

Anyway, I am not arguing that pass is better than 4S here; I'm just saying that to me 4S looks more likely to be right on the hand you linked to than this one.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 12:19

4s looks normal enough here.

as usual in these types of problems I assume the opps and pard are excellent players.
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Posted 2013-August-14, 12:24

View Postmike777, on 2013-August-14, 12:19, said:

4s looks normal enough here.

as usual in these types of problems I assume the opps and pard are excellent players.


The opps are seriously WC. Partner is at least as good as I am. I don't consider myself an excellent player, but partner's doubles are both very normal.
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