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Nasty trump split ahead ? partner jump to 4H.

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Posted 2013-August-12, 22:05



The double of 3C show 0 or 1 control (That all I know abotu the method sorry)

3H instead of 4H would have been NF.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 00:56

I stand no chance of improving the contract, and if it has no play then partner's hand evaluation is more likely a problem than mine. I have described my hand as best I can (according to the methods provided), and doing anything other than passing would be an overbid. Even an SOS redouble could make things worse: if partner's 2-7-1-3, for example, 4 may be our least bad spot.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 06:06

I'd trust my partner and pass.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 06:33

No reason to think 4x is not the normal contract, bid at the other table(s). No need to panic and make it worse.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 06:40

I hate the conditions here (what is partner supposed to bid with a 3541 hand?), but I'm definitely passing, for me, if a SOS XX was even available, I'd have to be 6-5.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 13:44

p had a non forcing 3h bid available also they could have bid 4c if they were
2 suited oriented. they chose 4h for a reason and we have less than no clue
what those reasons are. pass quietly and see what happens. You either
trust your p or find another because you will not enjoy the game if you do not
trust your partner (same goes for your partner if you "decide" to pull them
from a making 4hx).
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Posted 2013-August-13, 16:57

I'm with manudude: I hate the method: to me, 3 has to be forcing but that's because, I suppose, I play 2 immediate negative and that structure virtually requires that 2 2 3 be forcing, else big 2-suiters are unbiddable.

I can't imagine pulling.

If partner is, for example, 4=6=3=0 and felt endplayed because he had too good a hand to risk me passing below game, maybe we can have a useful discussion about improving our methods.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 19:31



This was the bidding at our table :( obviously 3H was meant as forcing but was passed. No need to tell you that -2 undoubled was not enough. I was wondering If WEST double 4H if they have a chance to run out in 4S.

Assuming 3H (forcing)-3S It will be also real tough to stop in 4S.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
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Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2013-August-13, 19:41

I double 4 and lead a trump.
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Posted 2013-August-13, 20:47

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This was the bidding at our table :( obviously 3H was meant as forcing but was passed. No need to tell you that -2 undoubled was not enough. I was wondering If WEST double 4H if they have a chance to run out in 4S.

Assuming 3H (forcing)-3S It will be also real tough to stop in 4S.

How is it possible to go beyond 4?

Opener knows we're off the spade A. We are getting tapped in the KJx hand at trick 1. Even assuming partner holds the spade Q (the highest spade he can hold), all the opps need do is to duck 1 round of trump and then cash a club, on most lies. Opener would need to switch off his brain to bid more than 4
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Posted 2013-August-14, 09:49

I also agree the method is pretty bad but its doesnt change a lot of things the bidding is likely to go (3C)-P-3H-3S-4H anyway. Some might even bid 4H directly because they may feel they have more than 9 sure tricks and wanted to show extras.

I think bidding 4H and not 4S is pretty clear.

Qxxxx or Txxxx
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Do you really prefer to be in 4s ?

but in the end its with 3H--3S--4H route you will probably avoid 4Hx so you can score it as a success.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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