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ATB for not getting to game Or no blame?

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Posted 2013-August-24, 15:56



Is the East hand too strong for pre-emption at the 3-level?
Is West hand so good as to get to game over a pre-empt?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2013-August-24, 16:01

I think it is south who should bid 4♥. Mostly because if north declares a diamond lead will beat it very quickly.
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Posted 2013-August-24, 16:22

Yeah South you got 5 hearts and your partner doubled... I mean come on, dude!
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Posted 2013-August-24, 17:25

 Hanoi5, on 2013-August-24, 15:56, said:


Is the East hand too strong for pre-emption at the 3-level?
Is West hand so good as to get to game over a pre-empt?
In spite of expert disdain, ordinary players adhere to some variation of the Losing Trick Count, so, assuming no duplication, we might get there. Knocking off a loser for trump-control:
  • East has less than 9 losers, so is worth a raise to three.
  • West has less than 6 losers, so is worth game

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Posted 2013-August-24, 18:09

5-5 opposite a 4-card raise, good trumps. Just bid 4♠ already, you don't want to see them bid 4 of a round suit.
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Posted 2013-August-24, 21:25

I agree with Cherdano. Just bid 4S with your 5-5
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Posted 2013-August-24, 23:59

I'd have bid 4♠ as East. With a singleton and 4-card support for partner's major-suit opening I usually raise to game.
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Posted 2013-August-25, 00:39

 gnasher, on 2013-August-24, 23:59, said:

I'd have bid 4♠ as East. With a singleton and 4-card support for partner's major-suit opening I usually raise to game.


I often do as well, but this hand seems meh, if it had a stiff heart I would do it but with 3 hearts it's quite possible they have no game and our hand does not have that much offense.

We are probably abnormal in this view anyways, surely west has a normal 4S bid to anyone.
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Posted 2013-August-25, 17:58

west hand should bid 4s hand evaluates to close to 19 opposite a p with
a lot of trumps (which also cuts down on our defense if the opps start
bidding.

3s seems very reasonable from the E hand.
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