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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2014-January-18, 17:41

Matchpoints

2N-P-6N-AP

Your lead:

Jxxxx
QJ8xx
J
Tx

Declarer is pretty bad, if that makes a difference.
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Posted 2014-January-18, 17:55

I'm going as passive as I can - which I think means the J diamond lead - anyway, that's my lead.
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Posted 2014-January-18, 22:44

J
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Posted 2014-January-18, 22:57

View PostWinstonm, on 2014-January-18, 17:55, said:

I'm going as passive as I can - which I think means the J diamond lead - anyway, that's my lead.


The dj is not passive but a highly aggressive lead. I will lead a high heart.
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Posted 2014-January-18, 22:59

low spade
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Posted 2014-January-19, 04:29

J
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Posted 2014-January-19, 04:59

DJ least likely to blow a trick imo. It has the added bonus that if declarer is missing the Q as well he might try to play me for it.
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Posted 2014-January-19, 05:14

It appears partner can have at most a queen if opps hands are balanced, and my prospects don't look good if that's the case. So looking at my lack of minors, if dummy has a long minor and has bid 6N because it's matchpoints, where is my best chance ? Well since the major suit high cards are likely to be with declarer, a spade is vanishingly unlikely to succeed. What if dummy has 6 diamonds, declarer 2 and partner 10xxx and a card ? the only non ace that helps would be K. If partner has an ace, declarer probably doesn't have 12 tricks, so I'll lead a small heart, if this gives away the overtrick c'est la vie, if many of the field are as bad as declarer, I'm not getting a good board for them making 6N anyway.
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Posted 2014-January-19, 05:16

View PostCyberyeti, on 2014-January-19, 05:14, said:

It appears partner can have at most a queen if opps hands are balanced, and my prospects don't look good if that's the case. So looking at my lack of minors, if dummy has a long minor and has bid 6N because it's matchpoints, where is my best chance ? Well since the major suit high cards are likely to be with declarer, a spade is vanishingly unlikely to succeed. What if dummy has 6 diamonds, declarer 2 and partner 10xxx and a card ? the only non ace that helps would be K. If partner has an ace, declarer probably doesn't have 12 tricks, so I'll lead a small heart.


Fwiw, if i decided to lead , i would also lead a small one. Although 8 is giving a little edge to a top
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Posted 2014-January-19, 05:46

View PostMrAce, on 2014-January-19, 05:16, said:

Fwiw, if i decided to lead , i would also lead a small one. Although 8 is giving a little edge to a top


I didn't fancy partner having an embarrassing stiff 10.
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Posted 2014-January-20, 08:12

What Fluffy said, although if declarer's *that* bad I'll lead honestly.
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Posted 2014-January-20, 10:34

J without much conviction for me.

Hopefully, it won't resolve a restricted choice conundrum for declarer in s. Given the comment about declarer's ability, I don't expect such a sophisticated analysis, but it might encourage declarer into finessing the against partner's presumed Q, when the play on some other lead might have been to bang down AK of to drop the presumed J..Q.

What were the actual hands?
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Posted 2014-January-20, 11:43

Something like

Tx
AKx
KTxx
QJxx

AKQx
x
Axxx
AKxx
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Posted 2014-January-20, 11:55

View PostMickyB, on 2014-January-20, 11:43, said:

Something like

Tx
AKx
KTxx
QJxx

AKQx
x
Axxx
AKxx

Declarer managed to go off.

Help me out a bit here since I fear I am missing something. Unless there are important spots that you haven't told us about then it looks to me as if declarer should indeed go off unless a) you lead a away from the J or b) you don't lead a and neither do you/partner when declarer ducks a trick, thereby allowing a double squeeze.
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Posted 2014-January-20, 12:06

View PostWellSpyder, on 2014-January-20, 11:55, said:

Help me out a bit here since I fear I am missing something. Unless there are important spots that you haven't told us about then it looks to me as if declarer should indeed go off unless a) you lead a away from the J or b) you don't lead a and neither do you/partner when declarer ducks a trick, thereby allowing a double squeeze.


Yeah sorry I edited while you were replying. Brainfart, declarer would've gone off even with diamonds 3-2, I just forgot they weren't!
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Posted 2014-January-20, 17:20

spade jack underlead seems passive enough for me..
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Posted 2014-January-21, 00:42

View PostMickyB, on 2014-January-18, 17:41, said:

Matchpoints 2N-P-6N-AP Your lead:
J x x x x Q J 8 x x J Tx
Declarer is pretty bad, if that makes a difference.
IMO J = 10, Q = 9, x = 8, x = 6, T = 5, J = 4.
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Posted 2014-January-21, 07:20

Incidentally, since all the people here who'd lead a H would pick the J, does that mean a lead of the Q denies the J? ;)
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Posted 2014-January-21, 10:24

I can't imagine leading anything but a top heart. If delcarer is bad, good, amazing, doesn't matter. (Though the worse he is, the better the heart stands out.)

Leading a spade is as gross as it gets in my book.

Leading a low heart is speculative and dangerous. (Sure a top one is too, but much, much less so than a small one.)

Minor suit leads into this auction are probably just going to help declarer guess and/or establish his sources of tricks.

This is a least of evils lead to some extent, but my votes would be:

any 0; Q or J 10; low 3; J 2; T 1.
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